That's all fine and dandy. You could still assign them 90 hours at straight time... you need fewer FAs which reduces overall cost. What I am trying to understand is where there 1.5x for everything over 84 is coming from. What is the history?

Having an abundance of FA is even more of an argument not to give them anything extra. So there must be some history that would be good to understand...

 

I would be happy if we could just get it to where anything assigned over 83 without consent would be paid at 1.5x FA's get 1.5 on stuff they pick up. It's amazing the schedule flexibility that they enjoy.

See above. They have to pay them 1.5x on anything above 84. Granted it is cheaper to have a bunch of extra FA's vs. pilots. Especially when you are only paying them when they work and there are a lot of FA's that work part time. But isn't it amazing that if you pay people more money for doing additional work, that they will do it without threatening them with letters from management?

Well the history is, If the pilots negotiate something, then the FA's will get it next time. If the FA's negotiate something, then the pilots will have to give something up to get the same. They got our negotiated per diem and probably other things that I can't think of off the top of my head. Yet any gains they negotiate are not automatically given to us. And I use gains in the loosest terms possible. (I really could care less if I got a winter coat!) They are also very social media savvy when it comes to pay negotiations and can get the alternate view out when the roadshow dog and pony show numbers don't add up. And they don't have to worry about only getting their information from a moderated forum.

 

You are sorely mistaken, please quit with your misinformation you spew on here.

It's $4 override over 87. Far cry from 150%, and then it is only over 87. So a FA flies 120, they'll get 32 hours times 4. $128. Big deal.

 

which equates to 15-20% overtime pay for most of our flight attendants

and we get 0.

 

Whatever the mechanic / details are on it, I'd still like to understand the background.

I am sure the company didn't give it to them out of goodness of their heart. They either gave something up or had any leverage at the time.

It would be delusional to expect anything given to the pilot group right now - without giving up something else. An override scheme is nothing else but another pay increase (or cost increase) for the company. Why would they do that? Just because the FAs have something like it? I don't think so.

I don't see that in our future unless there is something in return that will ultimately offsets the cost increase we can offer in return.

 

From my limited understanding the pay packages for the Flight Attendants have been pretty pathetic. As in no raise and here's a coat.

 

I flew with one of the guys who negotiated this last pay package. He said the company wanted to give us time and a half for all block flown over 83hrs in a month. But sapa rejected that in favor of the increased incentive pay types. Because according to him that block incentive would have been unfair to stand up crews.... Most idiotic thing I've ever heard come out of someone's mouth.

 

That's the reason regionals are revolving doors. Get in and get out. Work on the letters of rec and move along

 

Really?!! Was this person K.P. in ORD?

 

That's what you get when you have a SAPA President that hasn't flown the line in over 6 years and senior pilots on your negotiating committee. In fact, the EB that was in place during the pay vote had the Pres, VP and Exec secretary that none of them had flown the line for years. I think the survey they used as to what pilots wanted was over 2 years old. Of course, we had pilots that voted Yes on the first pathetic offer they gave us.