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Apokleros 08-04-2016 12:12 PM

Don't feed the troll, ya'll....

word302 08-04-2016 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by rmcbear08 (Post 2173933)
How big are we talking?

Between 50 to well over 100.

JB22 08-04-2016 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by Apokleros (Post 2174209)
Don't feed the troll, ya'll....

Not a troll. I give info worthwhile.

rickair7777 08-04-2016 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by Turbosina (Post 2174147)
I just counted, out of curiosity.

Amazingly enough there are 588 FOs (give or take 10 or 20) who are more senior than the most junior CA just awarded. Given that we only have about 2000 FOs, that is a pretty large percentage.

Tells you something about life on reserve, or life commuting, or life commuting to reserve that nearly 600 pilots have bypassed upgrade to be able to hold a schedule they want in their home base.

Probably 200 afraid to upgrade, and will likely never even try (or fail miserably if they do).

Another 200 have jobs or businesses which pay enough that upgrade isn't important, plus they need the schedule flexibility for their other gig.

The other 200 are waiting for some combination of base/seniority before they pull the trigger.

Of those probably 300 will upgrade eventually, but not many of them any time soon. In general people who take the first upgrade don't move backwards in CA seniority. It can happen in a niche domicile, or if a domicile shrinks, but once you upgrade your global CA seniority should keep improving.

amcnd 08-04-2016 04:09 PM

^ i agree. Tons that have sugar mommys.. And tons to scared to. And tons that will wait 3-4 years after they can (in school, small kids ect)

Cruz5350 08-04-2016 04:35 PM

I know a couple of us are waiting until the holidays are over, I don't anticipate getting them off for awhile once we upgrade.

Turbosina 08-04-2016 05:03 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2174309)
Probably 200 afraid to upgrade, and will likely never even try (or fail miserably if they do).

Another 200 have jobs or businesses which pay enough that upgrade isn't important, plus they need the schedule flexibility for their other gig.

The other 200 are waiting for some combination of base/seniority before they pull the trigger.

Of those probably 300 will upgrade eventually, but not many of them any time soon. In general people who take the first upgrade don't move backwards in CA seniority. It can happen in a niche domicile, or if a domicile shrinks, but once you upgrade your global CA seniority should keep improving.

Yup. Although judging by my base, the majority probably have other gigs. Quite a high percentage of FOs have other jobs, I personally know quite a few of them. Not sure how it is in other bases, but for those guys, upgrading makes zero financial sense...

chrisreedrules 08-04-2016 06:04 PM


Originally Posted by elmetal (Post 2174010)
Done it before... On a much less efficient airplane (aka bro aka crediting over 4 a day was impossible. No one broke guarantee EVER).

Its gonna suck a bit, but I'm doing anything in my power to become better and more competitive to move on. It'll be at least a year before I can get back to den. And another year for a line. No way am I putting pic on hold for 2 years. I have no idea what this industry will look like next year much less 2 from now!

But i totally get the qol thing. It's hard to give up the ability to pick my days off and always get them. 32 hour 4 day last month, 26 hour 700 4 day (and I dont fly 4 days but that credit sucked me in)

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Good for you! That's why you will succeed. Because you have the right attitude and the drive to make it happen.

elmetal 08-04-2016 06:06 PM


Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 2174387)
Good for you! That's why you will succeed. Because you have the right attitude and the drive to make it happen.

Thanks man

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