Originally Posted by elmetal (Post 2173842)

See you suckers there. #ImThePlug

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Originally Posted by ImPilot I Fly (Post 2173925)

If you start class Monday the 8th. You will be around 4000 something on the seniority list. I started on the 25th. Company seniority was mid 3900s. We have moved up 20 something spots in two weeks. Junior captain, which is DTW CRJ is 2500ish. So, 1500 FOs in front of you have to get out of the way, either by A. upgrading, which requires 1500 captains to leave/get fired/retire/lose medical or B. Moving on to another job. 1500 pilots is a lot. The only other way upgrades stay at 24 to 36 months is to add flying. Which is predicated on getting new contracts and the bigger challenge, hiring enough new pilots to expand the seniority list faster than the current attrition rate. I will be surprised if I upgrade in 4 years. But you never know. If attrition stays at 60/month. A new hire could upgrade in 24 months. If the recruiting and training. Department can keep up. Upgrade time is a living breathing document. It's always changing.

Originally Posted by mobius27 (Post 2174098)

I'll take the optimist's position here and remind everyone that the exodus to the majors is still spooling up. Hopefully no regional will be able to keep up with that attrition and we'll all get to go to mainline :D

Originally Posted by saxman66 (Post 2174089)

Keep in mind that not all those will take the first upgrade. I large percentage wait until they have a better schedule, or their base has openings. This means they get skipped, and the next junior guy gets to upgrade. We probably have a few hundred FO's that can hold captain positions, but choose not to.


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Originally Posted by Apokleros (Post 2174146)

I bet that many of our captains already have CJOs and class dates but have not announced it yet to the company until their time cometh in the fall.

Originally Posted by Turbosina (Post 2174147)

I just counted, out of curiosity.

Amazingly enough there are 588 FOs (give or take 10 or 20) who are more senior than the most junior CA just awarded. Given that we only have about 2000 FOs, that is a pretty large percentage.

Tells you something about life on reserve, or life commuting, or life commuting to reserve that nearly 600 pilots have bypassed upgrade to be able to hold a schedule they want in their home base.

Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate (Post 2174151)

Could have not said it better myself....