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Originally Posted by JKSees (Post 2367798)

My personal situation is different, I have all my hours from the military and am just getting current and proficient in a 121 environment and was hoping to spend some time doing it out Seattle for a few years in a nice airplane. SkyWest works for me personally.

However, my point was to express the general feeling of many of the new hires I know. They are all starting to get a sense that things are not moving like the recruiters/interviewers said they would. Its not entitlement, simply recognition that opportunities elsewhere exist and their priority is to fly and build hours, next priority is pay. If OO isn't doing either why would they stay? Their career effectively grinds to a halt and they remain broke in the mean time. Some of these dudes are so poor I had to buy them their six pack on Friday nights in ground school. Add on top of that the debt from their aviation degrees etc. If SkyWest is really just stockpiling pilots just to sit them, thats not right, at least not without being up front about it, and people should leave. I am sure that if the recruiters had told them they were stockpiling pilots they would have looked elsewhere. Like somewhere where they were short pilots and were going to fly. Was it unreasonable to assume that SkyWests aggressive hiring meant that they actually needed them to be pilots?

And its not about "doing your research". Their is so much info out their it is impossible to know whats correct. Add on top of that regional recruiters/interviewers are apparently something akin to a used car salesmen. Its very confusing for someone new that is trying to get it all sorted and just make the decision that is right for them. In my interview I was told they "needed" ERJ pilots. I figured that meant thats where the flying was at. As of now it appears that is definitely not the case. But I guess time will tell.

I don't blame anyone for not wanting to fly the CRJ. Things a pile.

But my point still stands, if guys sit for too long, they are going to start taking the cash bonuses elsewhere at airlines that fly them just to survive and keep their career moving forward.

lighten up.

Yeah that's a load of crap. If you can't finance yourself on our wages then that's a personal problem. I'm single, I pay for a one bedroom, crashpad, student loans, insurance, and all the other normal people bills. I survive comfortably. Not able to spend a lot of money to be honest where I want but I'm not poor. I didn't go and get a new flashy car or go on vacations I couldn't afford. I financed myself like a normal person would based on their income. If you can't survive off 35,000+ something needs to be evaluated in their money management. Surely being new to a company and complaining "PAY ME MORE" is not the solution.

Also, yes you can do your research. Plenty of pilots in this thread or on property will give you real information. Even I knew about reserve times on the ERJ being long and that was back when I interviewed in September.

The company is short on pilots in their eyes because they want more reserves. You sound like having people on reserve is a negative thing? It clearly didn't work for Republic and our company just a few years ago was extremely short on reserve. Anyone in management could have told you that they don't want to get that low again. You need reserves to run a efficient healthy airline.

I understand people coming on property and wanting hours as fast as they can...but seriously? You fall for the shiny jet syndrome, recruiter tips, and want a line in Seattle on your first week off IOE? And you're telling us you're threatening to quit over it? That sounds to me like some entitlement. Do your time. Even I'm new and I'd never have this attitude. I'm telling you some captains will rip this to shreads.

Your situation isn't "different" you just have the wrong mindset for the industry. I know with your military background you'll probably expect to be at a Legacy in 12 months and be up in flames if that doesn't happen either or if you have to sit reserve for YEARS out of base.

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Originally Posted by JKSees (Post 2367798)

I don't blame anyone for not wanting to fly the CRJ. Things a pile.

It simply is not a pile. It is a perfectly fine airplane to spend your work week in.

I cannot wait until you go Platinum for the first time!

There was a group of (assumed) new hires dwelling in the basement complaining how familiarity flights don't have JS priority over commuters. :rolleyes::eek:
"they need us more than we need them".

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Originally Posted by jtsastre (Post 2367806)

I have to chime in.

I don't understand the attitude of these new hires. Do these young guys and gals have no lives (spouse, girl/boyfriend, kids, etc.)? Someone needs to show them some perspective. Life isn't all about flying. This is a job and if all you do is this, you'll look back later in life and see you never truly lived.

I was a young buck once wanting to build time fast, but I realized spending time with family and friends is what values my time, not spending time in a plane all day talking about contracts. This was all during a time when pay was low and pilots were in surplus. Now these guys have an insane amount of opportunities at hand AND better pay, and they're complaining about it. What's the fricking rush? Enjoy the now.

Yup, winner.

I rushed my college and flight instructing as fast as I could to get to an airline. I think that's smart for people, get in, build seniority and get what you want.

I wouldn't be happy if I was in DTW right now just flying hours as much as possible. Once I got through training I realized I gotta enjoy this at some point. That's why I choose QOL over hours. I get it for people that want to fly hours as quickly as they can. Go to DTW then and do it. Nobody stopping you....but when people complain they want movement in their home domicile OR get transfered in to sit reserve even longer? Like seriously? What is it people expect. I don't get it. They act like other airlines operate differently too.

Enjoy the ride and stop setting expectations in your mind. Once something goes different from what you were "expecting" you become unhappy and then no fun to fly with. That's how I view my work here. Certainly sucks not getting called some days on reserve in my pad but OH WELL. It could be worse.

Can we get back to regularly scheduled koolaid and rumors, please?

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Originally Posted by tcco94 (Post 2367830)

Thanks for that [emoji106]

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Originally Posted by nopantsILS (Post 2367816)

That pile will make 10x the pilot out of these 1,000 hour champions. You should see the lack of energy management and decent planning demonstrated by many of the Cessna to 175 crew. Not to mention shut off the AT and enjoy the show.......

While I think the guy's a complete tool, the CRJ is just an airplane. You can actually get yourself out of trouble much easier in it.

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Originally Posted by JKSees (Post 2367798)

Wait, you're former military and this entitled? Bye Felicia.

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Originally Posted by word302 (Post 2367834)

While I think the guy's a complete tool, the CRJ is just an airplane. You can actually get yourself out of trouble much easier in it.

You have to realize you're in trouble before you get out of it. That's where the issue is.

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Originally Posted by nopantsILS (Post 2367841)

You have to realize you're in trouble before you get out of it. That's where the issue is.

Well that's a given. I'm arguing the fact that the CRJ is somehow going to make you a better pilot. I disagree. Energy management is much easier in the CRJ.

There are some really good FOs that are coming through the doors; humble, hard working, with a good attitude. Oh the other hand, the privileged, arrogant and cocky attitude guys are getting through as well. Some have a tendency to have a right seat Captain disposition. There are some exceptions, but imo, some of the best guys in terms of attitude, professionalism and leadership have 135 or prior 121 experience. I'll just leave that right there...

Dear newhires, keep in mind we are a crew, a team, here to service the flying public in the most professional way possible. A good attitude about the job we all signed up for helps get this done. Remember, most of the Captains that you'll fly with have more taxi time than you have totoal time...stay humble my friends.

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