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hawk21 05-25-2017 12:09 PM


Originally Posted by Groundpointfife (Post 2369210)
Poor Mesa they must not get QOL improvements​ since they don't have a union.

Oh wait that's right, they have ALPA. Yet Mesa still pays less than Great Lakes, for pilots to fly a bigger airframe with more seats.

Honestly surprised both airlines are still around.

RemoveB4Flight 05-25-2017 01:08 PM


Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 2369373)
Looks like the pay package passed the reps 18-1. Thats shows they worked hard on it. And feel its a good offer..

I never pegged you as a company guy before. Either I'm mistaken or possibly the company has fooled you.
Could it be you live where one of the rumored bases is and are foolish enough to believe that you must accept a lower than average pay package for the company to survive and grow?

In the current state of the industry, there is absolutely no reason for us to accept anything less than the best. The value of a pilot has never been higher and you are doing yourself and every other pilot a disservice by working for less than you're worth. Every other regional (less Mesa) are seeing increases in compensation, don't let the company fool you.

I am not saying this new negotiation will be unacceptable, but by the sound of the email, it will surprise me if it is. I wait patiently to hear the details.

Rocksteady 05-25-2017 01:49 PM


Originally Posted by RemoveB4Flight (Post 2369494)
I never pegged you as a company guy before. Either I'm mistaken or possibly the company has fooled you.
Could it be you live where one of the rumored bases is and are foolish enough to believe that you must accept a lower than average pay package for the company to survive and grow?

In the current state of the industry, there is absolutely no reason for us to accept anything less than the best. The value of a pilot has never been higher and you are doing yourself and every other pilot a disservice by working for less than you're worth. Every other regional (less Mesa) are seeing increases in compensation, don't let the company fool you.

I am not saying this new negotiation will be unacceptable, but by the sound of the email, it will surprise me if it is. I wait patiently to hear the details.

So true...we hold all the cards, I'm willing to vote no all day everyday till OO gets serious about pay. The last thing OO wants is to see out the current deal, that will disrupt their recruiting plans eventually

EFBprobs 05-25-2017 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by Rocksteady (Post 2369512)
So true...we hold all the cards, I'm willing to vote no all day everyday till OO gets serious about pay. The last thing OO wants is to see out the current deal, that will disrupt their recruiting plans eventually

Do we still get to vote on it? If so, is it on SWOL?

WesternSkies 05-25-2017 03:00 PM

Looks like the west coast and even DEN is ready for more pilots.

Utah 05-25-2017 03:02 PM


Originally Posted by EFBprobs (Post 2369541)
Do we still get to vote on it? If so, is it on SWOL?

The vote probably won't happen for another month. SAPA will release the details in a week or two than there will be another week or two where it will be discussed during SAPA roadshows.. They may just present the info or they may actually try to sell it.

Blackwing 05-25-2017 11:03 PM


Originally Posted by Groundpointfife (Post 2369210)
Poor Mesa they must not get QOL improvements​ since they don't have a union.

Oh wait that's right, they have ALPA. Yet Mesa still pays less than Great Lakes, for pilots to fly a bigger airframe with more seats.

Just gonna leave this here.

https://tpc.googlesyndication.com/si...40391222937135

Even with the type bonus and the boost to $36.50/hr, I didn't come close to $61k. More like half that.

Groundpointfife 05-25-2017 11:11 PM


Originally Posted by Blackwing (Post 2369752)
Just gonna leave this here.

https://tpc.googlesyndication.com/si...40391222937135

Even with the type bonus and the boost to $36.50/hr, I didn't come close to $61k. More like half that.

But you didn't have to fly around a beater, MELed to the Moon and back airplane, with hostile management threatening to tell the legacy airlines how terrible of an employee you were for not picking up open time in your days off.

I agree pay needs to go up, but with Mesa I would not believe it's worth that money. They have their Captain's sign a training contract. So first a new hire signs one training contract, then in upgrade they sign another to prevent them from leaving.

elmetal 05-26-2017 12:46 AM

You don't consider working 90+ day after day with no reserves to drop as working overtime?

For straight pay no less....

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hawk21 05-26-2017 04:22 AM


Originally Posted by elmetal (Post 2369761)
You don't consider working 90+ day after day with no reserves to drop as working overtime?

For straight pay no less....

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Yup I want to see premium pay.


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