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Turbosina 09-01-2016 08:14 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2193151)
Someone with an SIC type is trainable and either...

1) Employed by a competitor.
2) Highly employable by a competitor.

There's benefit to pulling pilots out of either category.

$7500 is cheap compared to hiring some random CFI who might wash out after 100 hours of IOE.

An SIC type requires 3 takeoffs and landings, some single engine work and a little ground instruction. I've got two in large-cabin bizjets, and I can't imagine what it proves. Earning one's CFI is vastly more difficult. Heck, even the CFII add-on is more difficult.

Anyhow, it's news to me that the bonus covers SIC types. Wow.

Duesenflieger 09-01-2016 08:19 AM


Originally Posted by Turbosina (Post 2193118)
Oh come on, an SIC type is a total joke and everyone knows it. I have two and they're not worth anything. I have to think the bonus only applies to PIC types, but if SKW is dumb enough to be paying bonuses to guys with useless SIC types, then, well...

Your attitude here is really telling about your character and proclivity to learning.

My SIC Lear 35 ride was harder than my SkyWest CL-65 PIC ride. It was essentially the same ride with the same maneuvers as what I experienced at SkyWest, except that we didn't use autopilots or flight directors...and the Learjet is a much tougher aircraft to master. That one took place in a Flight Safety simulator. I thought my SKW CL-65 ride was so easy due to autopilots....

My CASA 212 and Falcon 20 SIC rides were all conducted in the actual airplane and gave me very valuable experience which the PIC CL-65 ride in a simulator never provided. Some of the maneuvers and approaches were conducted in actual instrument conditions.

Duesenflieger 09-01-2016 08:27 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2193151)
Someone with an SIC type is trainable and either...

1) Employed by a competitor.
2) Highly employable by a competitor.

There's benefit to pulling pilots out of either category.

$7500 is cheap compared to hiring some random CFI who might wash out after 100 hours of IOE.

True, plus someone with an SIC rating from 135 stuff likely has some good experience to offer the airlines! I came into SkyWest with a lot of valuable real world experience flying turboprop/jet aircraft all over North America...thanks to my worthless SIC ratings. Unfortunately I got on before the bonus was offered to 135/SIC rated guys, but oh well that's life :D

rickair7777 09-01-2016 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by Turbosina (Post 2193159)
An SIC type requires 3 takeoffs and landings, some single engine work and a little ground instruction. I've got two in large-cabin bizjets, and I can't imagine what it proves. Earning one's CFI is vastly more difficult. Heck, even the CFII add-on is more difficult.


CFI is more work, but not every piston prop pilot can handle the speed and complexity of a glass jet. Apples to oranges.

A type rating is a good indicator for training success, which saves money and maximizes staffing. A pilot hired in the fall to staff the holidays who washes out on Dec 15th can't be replaced in time.

Rob12345 09-01-2016 09:23 AM

Is there a simple place to look up, what airframes are based at which bases?

ClickClickBoom 09-01-2016 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by Rob12345 (Post 2193201)
Is there a simple place to look up, what airframes are based at which bases?

yes...........

TogaParty 09-01-2016 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by Rob12345 (Post 2193201)
Is there a simple place to look up, what airframes are based at which bases?

CRJ: Every Domicile we have. Subject to change with PDX going all 175.
ERJ: ORD, DEN, PDX, SEA, SFO, LAX

Rob12345 09-01-2016 09:30 AM


Originally Posted by TogaParty (Post 2193206)
CRJ: Every Domicile we have. Subject to change with PDX going all 175.
ERJ: ORD, DEN, PDX, SEA, SFO, LAX

Big Thanks!

Turbosina 09-01-2016 10:58 AM


Originally Posted by Duessenflieger (Post 2193164)
Your attitude here is really telling about your character and proclivity to learning.

Really? Hmm. I must not know much 'bout learnin', given that I've co-founded and successfully ran one of the largest flight schools on the left coast, taking a 3-airplane Part 61 flying club to a 30-airplane Part 141 school with more students than we could possibly count and a perfect safety record.

Yup, don't know much 'bout learnin'. No siree.

And I stand by my perspective on an SIC type rating. You stand by yours. We'll all be happy.

Duesenflieger 09-01-2016 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by Turbosina (Post 2193268)
Really? Hmm. I must not know much 'bout learnin', given that I've co-founded and successfully ran one of the largest flight schools on the left coast, taking a 3-airplane Part 61 flying club to a 30-airplane Part 141 school with more students than we could possibly count and a perfect safety record.

Yup, don't know much 'bout learnin'. No siree.

And I stand by my perspective on an SIC type rating. You stand by yours. We'll all be happy.

I don't care what you've founded, you are quite simply utterly wrong in your assessment that an SIC type rating is worthless. And we all know that not all school founders are the best teachers that exist. Perhaps the company that helped you receive yours did not put too much of an investment in its pilots. That is too bad. All I know is that mine were all earned with equal sweat and fear of failure as my SkyWest CL-65 ride. I wouldn't be the pilot that I am today without having earned them. I'm not trying to get on your case here personally, but your original statement was not very thought out all too well. Let us leave it at that.


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