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Lvl410 08-08-2016 08:25 AM

73 new hires in class for anyone interested.

Is offline 08-08-2016 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by Lvl410 (Post 2176285)
73 new hires in class for anyone interested.

How many have English as a second language?

rickair7777 08-08-2016 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by ready4takeoff (Post 2175974)
Does anyone know what manual we find the codes used in skedplus? I got the code PEN4. I think I read on here a few months ago that is the code for the trip displacement? Also, if that is the displacement code the 72 hour mark has passed but my credit isn't the original? Do I have to call CS to give me back my credit for the displaced trip? Thanks


Originally Posted by mobius27 (Post 2175980)
It is for displacement, the number is how many days of pending. They can assign something that falls within your original footprint up to 72 hours prior, at which point it should change to DIOE, displaced for ioe. The credit will not display properly until the pay period gets processed in my experience. The crew pay tab should show it correctly, but it's been kind of hit or miss for me.

You should get paid for the trip, even if it doesn't show right away.

The PEN4 "should" be changed to DIOE at 72 hours but sometimes they don't get around to it and sometimes they'll leave it as PEN and then try to assign something inside the 72 hour window in the hopes that you'll go along with it.

Here's what you do...at EXACTLY 72 hours prior to show time log on and take a screen shot showing the time and either DIOE or PEN4. Then don't log on or return their phone calls. As long as you have proof that nothing was assigned at the 72 hour point , you're off the hook. They may try to pretend you're obligated to self-notify inside 72 hours but just ignore them, even if they call at show time asking where you are. They know the rules, but will try to play you to their advantage if they think they can get away with it. Just keep that screen shot...CS will frequently lie when they screw up in order to shift the blame to a crewmember.

If you want to fly, fine. If you get DIOE status then you can pick up anything you want during that time frame and get paid for both what you picked up and ALSO the value of the original DIOE trip.

Turbosina 08-08-2016 08:44 AM


Originally Posted by Is offline (Post 2176286)
How many have English as a second language?

Probably the majority of them, but think about it. How well would any of us native English speakers do if we moved to, say, Korea, and had to fly speaking only Korean?

It's a natural human tendency to assume that those who don't speak the same language as we do, are automatically less intelligent or capable. And 99.9% of that time, that assumption is wrong.

RemoveB4Flight 08-08-2016 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by Is offline (Post 2176286)
How many have English as a second language?

Not sure why this is relevant. So long as they do their job well of course.

N1234 08-08-2016 08:58 AM


Originally Posted by Is offline (Post 2176286)
How many have English as a second language?


How is this relevant?

And is this about language capabilities or something else? How do you feel about Brits, Aussies or Canadians flying in the US?

rickair7777 08-08-2016 09:01 AM


Originally Posted by Turbosina (Post 2176297)
It's a natural human tendency to assume that those who don't speak the same language as we do, are automatically less intelligent or capable. And 99.9% of that time, that assumption is wrong.

Blanket statement, and it's not entirely accurate for aviation.

Cultures have traits which are evolved and optimized for their home environment. Some cultures have traits which are not ideal for aviation, and in some cases severely counter-productive to safety.

For example a society which evolved in a very crowded and geographically limited area will tend to have a very formal and hierarchical culture. This tends to minimize conflicts and misunderstandings due to having a lot of people in a small area. But it's not good for CRM.

There have been extensive studies on societal power-distance and CRM. If you haven't read up on it, you should. Some countries have gone to great lengths to try to overcome their natural cultural tendencies in the CRM environment, and there are people here on APC who have worked as consultants to foreign airlines for that purpose.

US, UK, commonwealth, German, and Scandinavian cultures are among the best suited to aviation and safety statistics reflect that.

chitolin 08-08-2016 09:02 AM


Originally Posted by Is offline (Post 2176286)
How many have English as a second language?

I'm not a new hire but, English is my second language. Also working on speaking a third language. How many languages do you speak?

Apples and oranges

Is offline 08-08-2016 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by N1234 (Post 2176307)
How is this relevant?

And is this about language capabilities or something else? How do you feel about Brits, Aussies or Canadians flying in the US?

The relevance is I have a problem with the company paying to sponsor some foreign pilots visa when they refuse to pay fair wages.

stbloc 08-08-2016 09:22 AM

How hard is it to get IAH out of training or how long to transfer in.


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