I didn't think they could just raise pay without the policy manual being renegotiated?

 

It's not a contract. They can, and do, literally what they want.

I can't tell you how many times CS says "oh we don't do that anymore" and sapa just says "oh yeah they don't recognize that language anymore."

 

What screw support does is one thing but changing the policy manual is another. Per the courts eye it is legally binding, and I wouldn't think they'd just do it without a vote.

 

Have you read any TRs from the past year?

Did you vote on any of them?

Case closed.

 

Is relocation incentives from a base that is closing part of the PPM? So even if the PPM is legal binding, who is going to take SGU to court if they decide to raise pay without a vote?

It used to be that just CS would just do whatever because there was no repercussion when they would violate the "rules". That mindset has now spread to all floors at meca. Anyone that thinks SGU won't do whatever, whenever obviously hasn't been paying attention over the past couple years. Any vote that would take place is after the negotiation has already been done. And by negotiation, I mean SGU telling SAPA what's going to happen and SAPA selling it to the pilot group.

 

And I hate to tell you, but it's not much better at a unionized carrier. "Don't like it?? Grieve it!"

 

^^ This. Spot On.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong on this......but as far as I'm aware, because SkyWest doesn't have an actual Union as recognized under the NLRA, we don't have the right to go directly to the National Mediation Board to resolve contract disputes like other unionized airlines have the ability to do.

Sure, our PPM might be (is) a legally binding document, but who cares? It's a moot point - if the pilots have absolutely zero resources to ensure its enforcement (like the NMB). An actual lawsuit would have to be filed in court. You think the company is gonna give SAPA the money to file a lawsuit against themselves?

Because we don't have a union as defined and certified by the NLRB, they don't recognize our PPM as a true collective bargaining agreement. It's a subtle, but very substantial distinction.

 

As far as I am aware, and I'm pretty sure about it. Only the first 100 were firm orders (the ones already on or coming on property by 2017). The outstanding 100 are options, not firm orders. I could be wrong though.

 

They did not stop this. The Cadets/ CTP guys were ahead of the guys coming in with ATPs and CL65 types already.

 

Technically they have 200 firm orders left 100 more for the ERJ and 100 MRJ.. we know the later wont happen... total ERJ were 200 firm and 200 options. And as far as a pay raise goes, sapa is involved.