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Mowgli65 08-12-2017 12:06 AM


Originally Posted by MidnightHauler (Post 2409120)
There were approximately 700 or so who did NOT vote. Of the 53% who voted yes, most were pilots who've been here a long time. Stop blaming "newbs" for something they had no knowledge or control of to begin with. Also, I don't hear anyone talking about this place being the best place since sliced bread or anything similar. You may find this shocking, but there are many jobs out there far worse than this. Nobody duct taped you and forced you to work at OO. That was your choice. It's also yours to move on to greener pastures. Your constant complaining and inaccurate bashing isn't going to change things.


No knowledge or control of????
Oh it just happen to slip to the ground instructors mind when telling them they need 2500tt to upgrade, so these 1000tt wonder kids won't upgrade for what? 3 years? So much for a fast upgrade but then again did they open up their efb and look at company policy? Of course not. They were flooded with kool aid, as far as the lifers yeah well who cares (I suspect you will since you'll never hold slc captain). Point is this place isn't half of what people make it out to be. Moral is at an all time low and the pilot group is divided. Believe me I'm looking for greener pastures!

MidnightHauler 08-12-2017 12:17 AM


Originally Posted by Mowgli65 (Post 2409123)
No knowledge or control of????
Oh it just happen to slip to the ground instructors mind when telling them they need 2500tt to upgrade, so these 1000tt wonder kids won't upgrade for what? 3 years? So much for a fast upgrade but then again did they open up their efb and look at company policy? Of course not. They were flooded with kool aid, as far as the lifers yeah well who cares (I suspect you will since you'll never hold slc captain). Point is this place isn't half of what people make it out to be. Moral is at an all time low and the pilot group is divided. Believe me I'm looking for greener pastures!

I realize when I upgrade, I won't hold captain in SLC. That's why I will upgrade and commute to a base where I can hold it. Either that, or stay in SLC, sit around, complain like you do, and go nowhere, while fuming and stewing over things I can't control. The ones who get hired and move on aren't the ones constantly whining about how unfair things are while accusing those with go-getter attitudes of "drinking kool-aid". So sick of all the pansy talking, thumb-sucking whiners here that make every effort to drag everyone else down with their bullcrap. Misery loves company and those willing to sit around and indulge in that garbage are the ones dividing this company. It's all what you make it. No, it's not perfect. Not even close. No, not everybody thinks it's great. However, I myself find that it provides what I'm looking for at this stage of my 15 years of flying so far. I applied for this job, got hired, make more here for less "work" than anywhere else I've flown, and am getting the precious turbine time. If I find myself as pi**Ed off and disgruntled as you are, I'll go back to flying in another area of aviation.

Mowgli65 08-12-2017 12:31 AM


Originally Posted by MidnightHauler (Post 2409124)
I realize when I upgrade, I won't hold captain in SLC. That's why I will upgrade and commute to a base where I can hold it. Either that, or stay in SLC, sit around, complain like you do, and go nowhere, while fuming and stewing over things I can't control. The ones who get hired and move on aren't the ones constantly whining about how unfair things are while accusing those with go-getter attitudes of "drinking kool-aid". So sick of all the pansy talking, thumb-sucking whiners here that make every effort to drag everyone else down with their bullcrap. Misery loves company and those willing to sit around and indulge in that garbage are the ones dividing this company. It's all what you make it. No, it's not perfect. Not even close. No, not everybody thinks it's great. However, I myself find that it provides what I'm looking for at this stage of my 15 years of flying so far. I applied for this job, got hired, make more here for less "work" than anywhere else I've flown, and am getting the precious turbine time. If I find myself as pi**Ed off and disgruntled as you are, I'll go back to flying in another area of aviation.

Us as pilots have NEVER had more control than we do right now, and people like you saying this place is ok is not a good thing! Your content with your measly pay check, I get it...
However some of us want more for busting our butts! Instead all I see is managements salary increasing millions at a time and our weekly "stay competitive" email. Management has this pilot group bent over so far it's not even funny! Don't think so? Look at Skywest managements pay the last 5 years, it's public record. We've been had boys!!!!!!

Mowgli65 08-12-2017 12:34 AM

Perhaps if everyone stopped picking up open time and bailing the company out for their lack of proper staffing we may actually get somewhere. Wether it be 200% or proper staffing, I really don't care but we deserve more than the scraps we're being fed.

MidnightHauler 08-12-2017 12:44 AM


Originally Posted by Mowgli65 (Post 2409125)
Us as pilots have NEVER had more control than we do right now, and people like you saying this place is ok is not a good thing! Your content with your measly pay check, I get it...
However some of us want more for busting our butts! Instead all I see is managements salary increasing millions at a time and our weekly "stay competitive" email. Management has this pilot group bent over so far it's not even funny! Don't think so? Look at Skywest managements pay the last 5 years, it's public record. We've been had boys!!!!!!

Us pilots have never had more control than we do right now? Really? Sure, that mindset worked out real well for this TA didn't it? We had so much "control" that we ended up with nothing substantial. Come on, man, open your eyes! This is a regional. Subcontracted flying. The "partners" and their unions call the shots and we get what they don't take first. How the hell do you think this company is going to survive if they just gave us all huge raises, 401K increases, the moon, the stars, etc? Let's say they gave us all big raises, then Delta or United pulled alot of their flying back or possibly didn't rtenew contracts a few years from now? We would end up in the same sinking boat as our poor brothers at XJT. You may think you're working yourself to death and deserve bonuses everytime you pushback on time, but if OO caved in to that, we'd all be out of work in three years or less.
Just what is it you think you deserve while working here? When all the whiners keep whining, all we hear is "This place sucks. We deserve more. Other places are better.....yackity, yack, yack", but no one gives realistic ideas on how to improve this awful, rough life at Skywest that apparently isn't bad enough to walk away from.

MidnightHauler 08-12-2017 12:49 AM


Originally Posted by Mowgli65 (Post 2409119)
What does that have to do anything? Let's just say I'm more senior than you

I ask because you apparently have alot of frustration about being reserves.

WaterRooster 08-12-2017 02:38 AM


Originally Posted by Mowgli65 (Post 2409126)
Perhaps if everyone stopped picking up open time and bailing the company out for their lack of proper staffing we may actually get somewhere. Wether it be 200% or proper staffing, I really don't care but we deserve more than the scraps we're being fed.

Why don't you quit? It's actually really easy to go somewhere else and get a giant bonus and a prior 121 bonus. I doubt you have been here long enough for it to really matter seniority wise

uncleowen 08-12-2017 05:53 AM

Jungle book guy needs to go into the HIMS program.

Utah 08-12-2017 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by Mowgli65 (Post 2409112)
Here is the cold hard truth for anyone thinking of coming here:
You will sit reserve, you won't break guarantee due to the company bending the rules to make sure of it!
When your busy busting your butt to make sure you get an time departure you get NO bonus (sorry have to be 2 years).
You will get "delayed" into your days off with nothing more than oh well it's your trip so you have to do it, and you get nothing!!!!
Your "vacation" will be canceled due to company needs if somehow your awarded vacation.
The ONLY days off you can guarantee are your sick days, and even those are being questioned now.
Do yourselves a favor and go somewhere that has real work rules instead of "that's the way we've always done it" and that actually pays what a pilot should be worth instead of padding managements bonuses!

Your statement is BS. Working into a day off pays 4:12. They aren't canceling vacation unless you don't have the hours either. PPS bonus pays out from day 1. Performance after 12 months.

I'm guessing you haven't been here long enough for the PPS yet.

rickair7777 08-12-2017 09:47 AM

Awfully whiny one here...


Originally Posted by Mowgli65 (Post 2409112)
You will sit reserve, you won't break guarantee due to the company bending the rules to make sure of it!

If you choose equipment/base where you're going to sit reserve, plan on not breaking guarantee.


Originally Posted by Mowgli65 (Post 2409112)
When your busy busting your butt to make sure you get an time departure you get NO bonus (sorry have to be 2 years).

It's one year for operational bonus. PPS you should get as soon as you complete a full six-month eligibility period (ie Jan-Jun or Jul-Oct).


Originally Posted by Mowgli65 (Post 2409112)
You will get "delayed" into your days off with nothing more than oh well it's your trip so you have to do it, and you get nothing!!!!

If it's a legal duty period, no extra pay. But if you time out and get a hotel, then you get at least 4:12 for the next day.


Originally Posted by Mowgli65 (Post 2409112)
Your "vacation" will be canceled due to company needs if somehow your awarded vacation.

They haven't cancelled vacations as long as I've been here (10+ years). If you don't have enough vacation/user credit (due to sick calls or other time off) they will reduce awarded vacations to match the credit you have available.


Originally Posted by Mowgli65 (Post 2409112)
The ONLY days off you can guarantee are your sick days, and even those are being questioned now.

Golden days? If you're super junior, you're not going to get your pick of days off, schedule, vacation, etc. Nature of the industry.


Originally Posted by Mowgli65 (Post 2409112)
Do yourselves a favor and go somewhere that has real work rules instead of "that's the way we've always done it" and that actually pays what a pilot should be worth instead of padding managements bonuses!

Hate to tell you, but SKW is about as good as gets in the regional world...many of us have tried other regionals first :rolleyes:

Don't like SKW? Better bust your hump to qualify for a major airline asap, or find a new career. I might suggest a new career...major airline recruiters are VERY good at sniffing out negative attitudes like yours. Not saying SKW is all unicorns and rainbows but the attitude WILL torpedo your future plans. Just saw it happen to an old buddy this month. It's really hard to be all negative about your job and life in general, and then fake it at an interview.


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