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rcreager 04-22-2017 09:02 PM

If we are at an airport with no SID but the airport does have an ODP are we required to fly the ODP? I have been searching for this in the SOPM/FOM/OP Specs but haven't found anything yet.

elmetal 04-22-2017 09:03 PM

Yes you are. Unless you specifically obtain a vmc climb clearance, to which you are then responsible to maintain vfr ad terrain separation.

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Duesenflieger 04-23-2017 04:59 AM

Part 91.175

(f) Civil airport takeoff minimums. This paragraph applies to persons operating an aircraft under part 121, 125, 129, or 135 of this chapter.
(1) Unless otherwise authorized by the FAA, no pilot may takeoff from a civil airport under IFR unless the weather conditions at time of takeoff are at or above the weather minimums for IFR takeoff prescribed for that airport under part 97 of this chapter.
(2) If takeoff weather minimums are not prescribed under part 97 of this chapter for a particular airport, the following weather minimums apply to takeoffs under IFR:
(i) For aircraft, other than helicopters, having two engines or less—1 statute mile visibility.
(ii) For aircraft having more than two engines— 1⁄2 statute mile visibility.
(iii) For helicopters— 1⁄2 statute mile visibility.
(3) Except as provided in paragraph (f)(4) of this section, no pilot may takeoff under IFR from a civil airport having published obstacle departure procedures (ODPs) under part 97 of this chapter for the takeoff runway to be used, unless the pilot uses such ODPs or an alternative procedure or route assigned by air traffic control.

rickair7777 04-23-2017 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by rcreager (Post 2349042)
If we are at an airport with no SID but the airport does have an ODP are we required to fly the ODP? I have been searching for this in the SOPM/FOM/OP Specs but haven't found anything yet.

Yes. You need one of these:

1. SID/DP
2. Radar Vectors (tower assigned HDG)
3. ODP (if no ODP is published, you're in a very flat area and can turn direct on course).

You'll use an ODP most often at an uncontrolled field but if tower clears you for takeoff without an assigned a HDG or SID, you must still comply with the ODP (if published).

A VFR climb exempts you from the ODP, but you must still comply with the cleared route (ie no cutting corners). If you want to go direct somewhere in a VFR climb, ask for that specifically.

The FOM does not regurgitate all of the FAR/AIM, but those still apply.

rcreager 04-23-2017 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2349147)
Yes. You need one of these:

1. SID/DP
2. Radar Vectors (tower assigned HDG)
3. ODP (if no ODP is published, you're in a very flat area and can turn direct on course).

You'll use an ODP most often at an uncontrolled field but if tower clears you for takeoff without an assigned a HDG or SID, you must still comply with the ODP (if published).

A VFR climb exempts you from the ODP, but you must still comply with the cleared route (ie no cutting corners). If you want to go direct somewhere in a VFR climb, ask for that specifically.

The FOM does not regurgitate all of the FAR/AIM, but those still apply.

Clears that up. Thank you.

Ace66 04-23-2017 08:31 AM

Logging CTP sim time
 
I'm wrapping up the CTP sim course today in SLC and wondering how to log this time since I need it to get to 1500 hours for the ATP. My instructor had no guidance and says he generally does not sign log books and I've heard others say they don't even put it in their logbooks (hours are kept in SKW records and then added to our logbook total time?). I was going to just log it under my FTD/SIM column only but I thought we had to have an IGI (or authorized dude from certified program) to sign sim time in order to claim it?

Thanks!

Majerus 04-23-2017 08:50 AM


Originally Posted by Ace66 (Post 2349198)
I'm wrapping up the CTP sim course today in SLC and wondering how to log this time since I need it to get to 1500 hours for the ATP. My instructor had no guidance and says he generally does not sign log books. I was going to just log it under my FTD/SIM column only but I thought we had to have an IGI (or authorized dude from certified program) to sign sim time in order to claim it?

Thanks!

you'll log sim time, multi time and total time. and in the remarks you need to put the session info like FTD of FFS and which one. the instructor does not need to sign

Ace66 04-23-2017 08:52 AM

It doesn't go in total time - I know that. It can count towards Total Time for the ATP but it is not Total Flight Time. My OP was a little vague:

1) Do we need to enter it in our logs to meet 1500 or does SKW keep the record of it?

2) Do I need a signature?

Rocksteady 04-23-2017 09:07 AM


Originally Posted by Ace66 (Post 2349208)
It doesn't go in total time - I know that. It can count towards Total Time for the ATP but it is not Total Flight Time. My OP was a little vague:

1) Do we need to enter it in our logs to meet 1500 or does SKW keep the record of it?

2) Do I need a signature?

1) §61.51 Pilot logbooks.
(a) Training time and aeronautical experience. Each person must document and record the following time in a manner acceptable to the Administrator:

(1) Training and aeronautical experience used to meet the requirements for a certificate, rating, or flight review of this part.

(2) The aeronautical experience required for meeting the recent flight experience requirements of this part.

(b) Logbook entries. For the purposes of meeting the requirements of paragraph (a) of this section, each person must enter the following information for each flight or lesson logged:

(1) General—

(i) Date.

(ii) Total flight time or lesson time.

(iii) Location where the aircraft departed and arrived, or for lessons in a flight simulator or flight training device, the location where the lesson occurred.

(iv) Type and identification of aircraft, flight simulator, flight training device, or aviation training device, as appropriate.
.........

Key word there is "each person must document" So not Skywest, but you, and only if you need to count it towards ATP minimums, if you just need the CTP cert to take the written then you don't have to log the CTP sim time

2) no

word302 04-23-2017 09:13 AM


Originally Posted by Rocksteady (Post 2349216)
1) §61.51 Pilot logbooks.
(a) Training time and aeronautical experience. Each person must document and record the following time in a manner acceptable to the Administrator:

(1) Training and aeronautical experience used to meet the requirements for a certificate, rating, or flight review of this part.

(2) The aeronautical experience required for meeting the recent flight experience requirements of this part.

(b) Logbook entries. For the purposes of meeting the requirements of paragraph (a) of this section, each person must enter the following information for each flight or lesson logged:

(1) General—

(i) Date.

(ii) Total flight time or lesson time.

(iii) Location where the aircraft departed and arrived, or for lessons in a flight simulator or flight training device, the location where the lesson occurred.

(iv) Type and identification of aircraft, flight simulator, flight training device, or aviation training device, as appropriate.
.........

Key word there is "each person must document" So not Skywest, but you, and only if you need to count it towards ATP which you do because CTP is now required training towards ATP so it's required to be logged

2) no

Negative. CTP is a prerequisite of an ATP. You only need show that you completed a CTP. If you meet all the requirements of an ATP there is no requirement to log the CTP training. Logging sim time just muddies my log book. If it's not required, it ain't goin' in there.


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