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Old 11-23-2017 | 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by gojo
That really shows from your Comair references. Sure they were shut down. But there were a lot of different dynamics leading up to that point. Do some research and maybe try to understand what led up to that point.
My time at Skywest has nothing to do with the shutdown of Comair. I don't need to do "research" on it. I was following it as it happened.
Old 11-23-2017 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by MidnightHauler
My time at Skywest has nothing to do with the shutdown of Comair. I don't need to do "research" on it. I was following it as it happened.
Well good for you. Now put your business degree to work and compare the difference between then and now. You seem only focused on one similarity and that is that Endeavor is a Delta wholly owned like Comair was. Using your logic an American wholly owned is possibly doomed as well. When Comair was dismantled there were more regionals, more regional pilots, and hardly any movement from regional airlines to the majors. This is a totally different environment today
Old 11-23-2017 | 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Some of it might go away. Some of it might shift to mainline.

The real danger is for regional lifers, or those not getting called. Even if they shift your flying to mainline, you might not get to go with it. Safest thing is to go now, rather than wait and hope you land on your feet. Besides you'll have better seniority. I woudn't bet on another 20 years of status quo, not happening.

Even voluntary paycuts, to get senior lifer costs more in life with regional norms would not save you... once the big three start hiring CFI's, game over.
I don't understand the implication in this sentence. Are you implying that the majors will hire only CFIs in the future and disregard regional lifers?
Old 11-23-2017 | 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Duesenflieger
I don't understand the implication in this sentence. Are you implying that the majors will hire only CFIs in the future and disregard regional lifers?

Not exactly. If things stay on the current trajectory (which is to say majors paying lip service to the future problem), then eventually majors will have to hire 1500 hour pilots.

In their current mode, they seem to select for two obvious categories...

a) Whole Person: These requirements are fairly static: background, degree, GPA, psych/cog test, leadership, volunteer, recent training, affirmative action, trainable(ie young), personality.

b) Flight Experience: The bar has dropped over the years.

Apparently the trajectory is to lower b) as needed to get candidates who have what they want in a).

For example they are consistently hiring low-time regional FO's who score well in a). Notably, they are passing over experienced regional captains who don't have recent training, or accumulated a background/training hiccup over the decades.

Extrapolate this trend... at some point they'll hire regional FO's with 500, then 200 hours TSIC.

Eventually they'll be faced with hiring CFI's with good a) scores, or regional lifers with good b) scores... what will they do then?

I suspect they'll hire CFI's, but with some kind of training prep program. Jetblue obviously prefers neophytes to RJ CA's. This has a HUUUUGE advantage... majors can DIRECTLY incentivize people they want to enter the profession IMMEDIATELY if they know they don't have to degrade themselves by flying a crappy RJ for under six figures. Especially appealing to any demographic who wants it all right now, without having to pay dues.

At some point they'll probably lower the whole person requirements as well, but how low? Will they lower them enough to get to YOUR level?

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Old 11-23-2017 | 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Not exactly. If things stay on the current trajectory (which is to say majors paying lip service to the future problem), then eventually majors will have to hire 1500 hour pilots.

In their current mode, they seem to select for two obvious categories...

a) Whole Person: These requirements are fairly static: background, degree, GPA, psych/cog test, leadership, volunteer, recent training, affirmative action, trainable(ie young), personality.

b) Flight Experience: The bar has dropped over the years.

Apparently the trajectory is to lower b) as needed to get candidates who have what they want in a).

For example they are consistently hiring low-time regional FO's who score well in a). Notably, they are passing over experienced regional captains who don't have recent training, or accumulated a background/training hiccup over the decades.

Extrapolate this trend... at some point they'll hire regional FO's with 500, then 200 hours TSIC.

Eventually they'll be faced with hiring CFI's with good a) scores, or regional lifers with good b) scores... what will they do then?

I suspect they'll hire CFI's, but with some kind of training prep program. Jetblue obviously prefers neophytes to RJ CA's. This has a HUUUUGE advantage... majors can DIRECTLY incentivize people they want to enter the profession IMMEDIATELY if they know they don't have to degrade themselves by flying a crappy RJ for under six figures. Especially appealing to any demographic who wants it all right now, without having to pay dues.

At some point they'll probably lower the whole person requirements as well, but how low? Will they lower them enough to get to YOUR level?
Good write-up, thanks for elaborating. I heard of a 23 year old, 2200 hr TT SkyWest FO being picked up by Delta recently for having an advanced degree in aviation. Their preferences do seem to be heading in that direction.
Old 11-24-2017 | 04:39 AM
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This troll blabbers on for the sake of blabbering on, I feel.
Old 11-24-2017 | 07:09 AM
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"IT" shows its sad, pathetic self once again. "IT" believes that it can influence SkyWest pilot opinion to support a viewpoint that favors the value of its stock. "IT" should reexamine its life priorities and find something productive to do with its time....



When I wonder what "IT" looks like, this famous scene from a 1990 horror film creeps into my mind. Schönen Tag noch, "IT."
Old 11-24-2017 | 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate
Feel all you want, as you know my statement holds plenty of truth. You prove time and time again you are an emotional trainwreck.
Meryful Fate is a spectacular name choice. It's a Danish heavy metal band. He started posting on here after the Southpark episode "Skank Hunt", the premise of which was that the nation of Denmark was going to start a service called "Troll Trace" to reveal everyone's true internet history.

Well done sir. Truly next level trolling.

Old 11-24-2017 | 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate
Pretty weak stuff there Jerry....
Old 11-24-2017 | 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate
Nice theory! Had to look this up, as I dont watch South Park. Looks like that episode aired in 2016, long after I started posting.
Then you have terrible taste in music.
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