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Old 11-24-2017 | 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Five93H
Boy I've lost count of the number of guys I've met who only expected to be at an RJ for 5 years and were passing 10, 15 years. Sure plan for not needing that 15 year payrate, but nice to have in your back pocket.
Those days are over. (I was caught in that) Now most of those guys are “lazy” and dont want to apply themselves... but its surprisingly easyer then I thought to move on..
Old 11-24-2017 | 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevjets
Sounds like management has the best of both worlds with this arrangement. They have pilots locked into a five year deal but get to change it on a whiim to suit only the pilots it suits them to throw temporary bonuses.

So why do you guys continue to do this every time?
Dude, I don't know why you can't understand that not everyone at Skywest suddenly doesn't hate their job here just because of a lousy new TA. So what.....it's still better than what was there before. No, it's not great, but still a little better than before. I voted no because I wanted a little more negotiation, but realize it's still a regional and we're a subcontractor who has to keep our rates competitive to secure long term contracts. I think it sucks that it didn't go to negotiation, but now that we're past that, I realize the company will do what they want anyways. Regional flying is dying, whether you see that or not, and anything we can secure right now for four major partners within the next few years is good. If we all wanted, we can price ourselves right out of business. Pay big bonuses to new hires who'll leave soon, raise pay 10% or more, and pay profit sharing on top of that, we'd close up shop during the next economic downturn.
I've read many of your previous posts and all you do is blame pilots for what management decided on. Get over it. It is what it is and many here at Skywest are looking long term at a dying side of flying. It's not about big money right now, it's about securing jobs for as long as possible. Most here like their jobs, like being based out west, like their QOL, and want to stay here both short term or long term. And please.......don't give me the stupid worn-out crap talk about how pilots have power with their feet or some garbage like that. Many of us who've been in this industry 20 years or longer know that management will find someone else to replace those who walk. I'd rather be here with a job right now making more than I've ever made from any flying job versus being on the street right now.
Old 11-24-2017 | 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by amcnd
We traded 100 aircraft growth for this.. some could consider that a quality of life improvement and advancement... im my base and seat I won’t see that until i go to the ERJ.. but when i do. It will definitely pay off with the growth in schedule and being able to get the vacation blocks i want.. it will come down to staffing, can we get the people As of now seems like we do. And the lure of 1 week captain upgrade is a bonus for anyone with 121 time. I still don’t see a drop in people interviewing.. honestly for me the Endeavor TA realy doesn’t make my pay look less. They onky go to 15 years $122hr 900. Im 20 on the 20 year $121... and i still get 10-15k in bonus.. they are done with bonuses... now someone on 5-10 year scale thats a different story...

Your traded 100 growth aircraft (is it really 100?) for locking yourself into a five year deal with 6% pay raises? Do you honestly believe that, however many aircraft have been announced, was going to be held back by a non-binding pay deal for at-will pilot employees?

And the question still remains if these supposed growth aircraft will be able to be staffed considering other regionals’ (not just endeavor) pay, bonuses, career progression provisions, fast upgrades or combination thereof. If Skywest cannot, they simply park the 53 crj200s that only need 30-120 days notice (as opposed to the multi-year CPAs all the other aircraft are tied to).

As for the pay scale years of service, I rather be topped out at 15 years (or less) than needing an additional 3 years to get to the rate endeavor pilots are getting. Also, you mention your vacation, how is that dismal accrual? Still bottom of the industry? That alone would increase EVERYONE’s QOL if only it was brought up to industry standard in the last pay package.

You make the point that this pay package is better for you. It sounds like it may well be and that’s fine. But that wasn’t your point earlier when you were telling all of us to reserve judgement on your pay package until and if the endeavor TA was voted in. That wasn’t an argument that it was better for you.

Lastly, if your $10-15k bonuses (at your 20 YOS $121/hr) is in any way tied to performance and or profit, then it can never be counted on. That was the whole point of the endeavor TA, to convert non-guaranteed bonuses into contractual, legally binding, pay rates for everyone.
Old 11-24-2017 | 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevjets
Your traded 100 growth aircraft (is it really 100?) for locking yourself into a five year deal with 6% pay raises? Do you honestly believe that, however many aircraft have been announced, was going to be held back by a non-binding pay deal for at-will pilot employees?

And the question still remains if these supposed growth aircraft will be able to be staffed considering other regionals’ (not just endeavor) pay, bonuses, career progression provisions, fast upgrades or combination thereof. If Skywest cannot, they simply park the 53 crj200s that only need 30-120 days notice (as opposed to the multi-year CPAs all the other aircraft are tied to).

As for the pay scale years of service, I rather be topped out at 15 years (or less) than needing an additional 3 years to get to the rate endeavor pilots are getting. Also, you mention your vacation, how is that dismal accrual? Still bottom of the industry? That alone would increase EVERYONE’s QOL if only it was brought up to industry standard in the last pay package.

You make the point that this pay package is better for you. It sounds like it may well be and that’s fine. But that wasn’t your point earlier when you were telling all of us to reserve judgement on your pay package until and if the endeavor TA was voted in. That wasn’t an argument that it was better for you.

Lastly, if your $10-15k bonuses (at your 20 YOS $121/hr) is in any way tied to performance and or profit, then it can never be counted on. That was the whole point of the endeavor TA, to convert non-guaranteed bonuses into contractual, legally binding, pay rates for everyone.
Like i said. This industry is changing... things are way different then 10 years ago. Who cares how makes $1.02 more a hour then me.. SkyWest served me well. My house is paid for, my kids are starting to leave the house, and i just cashed out 20 years worth of stock at $50 a share.. not to mention the 180hrs of Vacation and 230 hrs of user i get on my last check cashed out.. regionals ate regionals. SkyWest served me well. But everyone should take advantage of this pilot shortage opportunity..
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate
T minus...3....2......1....
You didn't say I was wrong...
Old 11-24-2017 | 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate
You made it clear from the start you had nothing of worth to say. Easy to tell you are a regular poster using a new account, so you dont damage any "cred" from your normal posting habits. People try this stunt all the time with me, and fail. You are no different.
I'm sorry. You still haven't indicated if I was correct or not regarding your Username.

This is actually important.

Because, you see, I'm a woman. And I find the name Mercyful Fate to be somewhat hateful towards women. As you can see from my earlier post, Mercyful Fate has connotations that indicate that women are objects to be used.

So. I'm offended by your username. I find it to be in poor taste, hateful, and discriminatory towards women. I'm pretty sure that violates the Terms of Use of this forum.
Old 11-24-2017 | 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate
Well, you better contact the mods quickly!!!!! We cannot have that!!
I agree. As you seem to have the mods on speed dial (even counting down to their intervention earlier), perhaps you could assist me.

Mods, Mercyful Fate has an offensive username that is derogatory towards women and fosters hate speech on this forum.

Hereby Notified!
Old 11-24-2017 | 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Squibs
I agree. As you seem to have the mods on speed dial (even counting down to their intervention earlier), perhaps you could assist me.

Mods, Mercyful Fate has an offensive username that is derogatory towards women and fosters hate speech on this forum.

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Sorry, fail. Google says it's a rock band. Pretty common for APC members to use music references as user names.
Old 11-24-2017 | 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate
Pretty crazy the person posting pornographic images with vile language is worried about my user name.
And pretty crazy that those pornographic images are artwork from the band you chose as your username.

Can't have it both ways.
Old 11-24-2017 | 07:56 PM
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SkyWest will be fine. The next 5 years will completely change the industry, but if I had to put money on any regional surviving the mass exodus it will be SkyWest. The next 10 years? Oh they're screwed, just like every other regional.

But seriously, there are good amount of lifers at all of the current stable regionals. To no fault of their own, the last 25 years have been brutal for people trying to get to the Major level. I hope the best for all of them, and hope they can finish their careers at the seniority level they deserve. So many new people take for granted the current environment, like it's normal. That is where I have an issue with my "generation" of pilots, nothing is guaranteed but this is as close as it gets. The next ten years NO regional will be safe, just not enough people entering the industry comapred to those retiring. Making guys like me who don't feel like they're tier 1 or hell even tier 3 a little nervous!
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