Skywest v2.0
#9391
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jul 2008
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Those days are over. (I was caught in that) Now most of those guys are “lazy” and dont want to apply themselves... but its surprisingly easyer then I thought to move on..
#9392
Line Holder
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 329
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I've read many of your previous posts and all you do is blame pilots for what management decided on. Get over it. It is what it is and many here at Skywest are looking long term at a dying side of flying. It's not about big money right now, it's about securing jobs for as long as possible. Most here like their jobs, like being based out west, like their QOL, and want to stay here both short term or long term. And please.......don't give me the stupid worn-out crap talk about how pilots have power with their feet or some garbage like that. Many of us who've been in this industry 20 years or longer know that management will find someone else to replace those who walk. I'd rather be here with a job right now making more than I've ever made from any flying job versus being on the street right now.
#9393
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Oct 2016
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We traded 100 aircraft growth for this.. some could consider that a quality of life improvement and advancement... im my base and seat I won’t see that until i go to the ERJ.. but when i do. It will definitely pay off with the growth in schedule and being able to get the vacation blocks i want.. it will come down to staffing, can we get the people As of now seems like we do. And the lure of 1 week captain upgrade is a bonus for anyone with 121 time. I still don’t see a drop in people interviewing.. honestly for me the Endeavor TA realy doesn’t make my pay look less. They onky go to 15 years $122hr 900. Im 20 on the 20 year $121... and i still get 10-15k in bonus.. they are done with bonuses... now someone on 5-10 year scale thats a different story...
Your traded 100 growth aircraft (is it really 100?) for locking yourself into a five year deal with 6% pay raises? Do you honestly believe that, however many aircraft have been announced, was going to be held back by a non-binding pay deal for at-will pilot employees?
And the question still remains if these supposed growth aircraft will be able to be staffed considering other regionals’ (not just endeavor) pay, bonuses, career progression provisions, fast upgrades or combination thereof. If Skywest cannot, they simply park the 53 crj200s that only need 30-120 days notice (as opposed to the multi-year CPAs all the other aircraft are tied to).
As for the pay scale years of service, I rather be topped out at 15 years (or less) than needing an additional 3 years to get to the rate endeavor pilots are getting. Also, you mention your vacation, how is that dismal accrual? Still bottom of the industry? That alone would increase EVERYONE’s QOL if only it was brought up to industry standard in the last pay package.
You make the point that this pay package is better for you. It sounds like it may well be and that’s fine. But that wasn’t your point earlier when you were telling all of us to reserve judgement on your pay package until and if the endeavor TA was voted in. That wasn’t an argument that it was better for you.
Lastly, if your $10-15k bonuses (at your 20 YOS $121/hr) is in any way tied to performance and or profit, then it can never be counted on. That was the whole point of the endeavor TA, to convert non-guaranteed bonuses into contractual, legally binding, pay rates for everyone.
#9394
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 4,301
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Your traded 100 growth aircraft (is it really 100?) for locking yourself into a five year deal with 6% pay raises? Do you honestly believe that, however many aircraft have been announced, was going to be held back by a non-binding pay deal for at-will pilot employees?
And the question still remains if these supposed growth aircraft will be able to be staffed considering other regionals’ (not just endeavor) pay, bonuses, career progression provisions, fast upgrades or combination thereof. If Skywest cannot, they simply park the 53 crj200s that only need 30-120 days notice (as opposed to the multi-year CPAs all the other aircraft are tied to).
As for the pay scale years of service, I rather be topped out at 15 years (or less) than needing an additional 3 years to get to the rate endeavor pilots are getting. Also, you mention your vacation, how is that dismal accrual? Still bottom of the industry? That alone would increase EVERYONE’s QOL if only it was brought up to industry standard in the last pay package.
You make the point that this pay package is better for you. It sounds like it may well be and that’s fine. But that wasn’t your point earlier when you were telling all of us to reserve judgement on your pay package until and if the endeavor TA was voted in. That wasn’t an argument that it was better for you.
Lastly, if your $10-15k bonuses (at your 20 YOS $121/hr) is in any way tied to performance and or profit, then it can never be counted on. That was the whole point of the endeavor TA, to convert non-guaranteed bonuses into contractual, legally binding, pay rates for everyone.
And the question still remains if these supposed growth aircraft will be able to be staffed considering other regionals’ (not just endeavor) pay, bonuses, career progression provisions, fast upgrades or combination thereof. If Skywest cannot, they simply park the 53 crj200s that only need 30-120 days notice (as opposed to the multi-year CPAs all the other aircraft are tied to).
As for the pay scale years of service, I rather be topped out at 15 years (or less) than needing an additional 3 years to get to the rate endeavor pilots are getting. Also, you mention your vacation, how is that dismal accrual? Still bottom of the industry? That alone would increase EVERYONE’s QOL if only it was brought up to industry standard in the last pay package.
You make the point that this pay package is better for you. It sounds like it may well be and that’s fine. But that wasn’t your point earlier when you were telling all of us to reserve judgement on your pay package until and if the endeavor TA was voted in. That wasn’t an argument that it was better for you.
Lastly, if your $10-15k bonuses (at your 20 YOS $121/hr) is in any way tied to performance and or profit, then it can never be counted on. That was the whole point of the endeavor TA, to convert non-guaranteed bonuses into contractual, legally binding, pay rates for everyone.
#9396
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Joined: Sep 2017
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This is actually important.
Because, you see, I'm a woman. And I find the name Mercyful Fate to be somewhat hateful towards women. As you can see from my earlier post, Mercyful Fate has connotations that indicate that women are objects to be used.
So. I'm offended by your username. I find it to be in poor taste, hateful, and discriminatory towards women. I'm pretty sure that violates the Terms of Use of this forum.
#9397
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Joined: Sep 2017
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Mods, Mercyful Fate has an offensive username that is derogatory towards women and fosters hate speech on this forum.
Hereby Notified!
#9398
Prime Minister/Moderator

Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 44,906
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
Sorry, fail. Google says it's a rock band. Pretty common for APC members to use music references as user names.
#9400
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 279
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SkyWest will be fine. The next 5 years will completely change the industry, but if I had to put money on any regional surviving the mass exodus it will be SkyWest. The next 10 years? Oh they're screwed, just like every other regional.
But seriously, there are good amount of lifers at all of the current stable regionals. To no fault of their own, the last 25 years have been brutal for people trying to get to the Major level. I hope the best for all of them, and hope they can finish their careers at the seniority level they deserve. So many new people take for granted the current environment, like it's normal. That is where I have an issue with my "generation" of pilots, nothing is guaranteed but this is as close as it gets. The next ten years NO regional will be safe, just not enough people entering the industry comapred to those retiring. Making guys like me who don't feel like they're tier 1 or hell even tier 3 a little nervous!
But seriously, there are good amount of lifers at all of the current stable regionals. To no fault of their own, the last 25 years have been brutal for people trying to get to the Major level. I hope the best for all of them, and hope they can finish their careers at the seniority level they deserve. So many new people take for granted the current environment, like it's normal. That is where I have an issue with my "generation" of pilots, nothing is guaranteed but this is as close as it gets. The next ten years NO regional will be safe, just not enough people entering the industry comapred to those retiring. Making guys like me who don't feel like they're tier 1 or hell even tier 3 a little nervous!
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