TexBubba

I jumpseat on WN all the time to work, (thanks guys!), I do agree with the grounding of all Max’s. None of us get paid enough to fly an airplane that clearly has an issue. Hopefully Boeing and the FAA will do some soul searching and get this thing fixed the right way! Test flights, sim emergencies, training manuals, etc. I was a little surprised what a WN pilot told me the first time I rode on a Max a few months ago. I stopped in the cockpit to asked to ask for a ride and were just BS-ing about what type of differences training they had. The answer was just a couple hours of CBT, etc. Flight-crews and the flying public deserve a lot better from the FAA, DOT, Boeing, and the Companies that operate these.

RI830

Multiple posts amongst threads in regards to the grounding of the Max. Trump this...Trump that...FAA knows best!

https://denver.cbslocal.com/2019/03/...enver-airport/

This storm alone will cause substantial more chaos than the grounding of the MAX.

Peacock

So you couldn’t find one. You were ranting to us about someone somewhere else. Neat.

Meow1215

Nah bud, you hold that title strongly if you think my quote even comes close to qualifying compared to some of the stupidity found on here.

And yes, I do firmly believe that someone with 200 hrs total time is not appropriately trained to be operating a 737. There is no way your going to convince me otherwise. It’s simply not enough experience. History is riddle with accidents from pilots who were in over their heads. Not saying a 200 hr wonder couldn’t fly a plane, I’m saying they don’t have enough experience for that .1% event. And that may not be the case here, but it is a relevant factor that the FO was highly in experienced.

If you come up with something besides personal insults and excuses feel free to change my mind. I want all pilots trained to safe standards - regardless to their geographic location.

Adlerdriver

FYI - MCAS doesn’t operate when the autopilot is engaged.

On another note - Runaway stabilizer as a result of MCAS issues or runaway that’s always been a potential failure on every 737 ever produced is still basically...... runaway stabilizer.

Used to be a memory item at brand X when I flew them there. Still is on my current 777 and probably every other Boeing out there. Handle the problem, fly the aircraft, turn off the cutout switches and land the broken aircraft. 8000 hours? One can probably do that, no problem. 200? Might be asking a lot.

Hellokitty

So is the 737 operated single pilot? That aircraft had a very senior and experience Captain behind the wheel which is one fact you failed to mention!.I do agree with you on the experience level of a 200hour guy though.

terminal

a 200 hour guy with an 8000 hour guy, the 200 hour guy becomes an SA suck

Meow1215

No, it is a two-pilot aircraft at least it is supposed to be. But I ask you this - if an airplane starts doing something strange and one of the two pilots is not equipped to handle the emergency, is it still two pilots? It one pilot hurting more than they are helping?

I agree, that aircraft had a very senior captain on board, I believe 8,000 hrs.
How much time was in the 737x8?
Who was flying?
Can you honestly say that in the event of an abnormal situation that someone with 200 hrs is going to help the situation or potentially make it worse?

I reiterate - I don't know what happened. But people are making decisions about these airplanes based on emotion, not evidence. When an airplane goes through certification it needs to be proved safe and airworthy. If something is wrong, yes it needs to be corrected - but you cannot discount the fact that the air crews in these two accidents very well could have played a role, and it is highly probably that they did given the lack of training and experience.

ShyGuy

A spoon ??

ShyGuy

Very senior and experienced? He was the youngest CA at Ethiopian. Was 29 and had been at the company 10 yrs, which means he came out of their academy as a 19 yr old ab-initio also a 200 hr pilot whose career was babysitting the autopilot as FO for the most part of a decade and then upgraded Nov 2017. And the FO was a new academy graduate with 200 some hours total.

Sorry, but crew experience here definitely needs to be looked at. Now if there’s some hidden flaw in the MAX that has yet to come to light, the crew will be vindicated. But if this is yet again a plane where MMACS activated and was a tug n pull war the entire time without touching the electric power cutoff switches for the stab, then it’s a very sad and repeated event that shouldn’t have happened.