737 MAX - Safe or Unsafe?
03-13-2019 | 11:43 AM
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200 hours or not , if the airplane pitches down on you like the lion air did , there is no way that 200 hours or 8000 hours will save you.
We don’t know the cause yet , but if the two crashes are related , all of the airplanes should be grounded in order to protect the safety of the general public and our fellow pilots !
I’m not sure what airplane you fly Meow1215, I’m sure you have more than 200 hours , but if an airplane pitches down on you near the ground at full trim , you wouldn’t be able to save it either.
It’s better to be safe than sorry , keep them on the ground until a full explanation is known, no need to take risks! I’m sure you wouldn’t want your entire family flying around a MAX-8 on multiple trips a day for a month! Well that’s what these flight crews are doing , not knowing if the glitch is going to happen or not.
I truly feel for the people who are being forced to fly this airplane at the moment , I personally would’ve called out until I hear what’s going on. Specially since Boeing said that it’s bringing out a fix within weeks , which means there is something wrong with the airplane.
We don’t know the cause yet , but if the two crashes are related , all of the airplanes should be grounded in order to protect the safety of the general public and our fellow pilots !
I’m not sure what airplane you fly Meow1215, I’m sure you have more than 200 hours , but if an airplane pitches down on you near the ground at full trim , you wouldn’t be able to save it either.
It’s better to be safe than sorry , keep them on the ground until a full explanation is known, no need to take risks! I’m sure you wouldn’t want your entire family flying around a MAX-8 on multiple trips a day for a month! Well that’s what these flight crews are doing , not knowing if the glitch is going to happen or not.
I truly feel for the people who are being forced to fly this airplane at the moment , I personally would’ve called out until I hear what’s going on. Specially since Boeing said that it’s bringing out a fix within weeks , which means there is something wrong with the airplane.
03-13-2019 | 11:47 AM
#13
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From: MD11 FO
The aircraft was certified with new systems and those systems were neither described in the FM or trained for in procedures yet the FAA signed off on that. THAT should bother every professional pilot out there. Yes, the jet is safe 99% of the time but if I found out that there was some secret flight control enhancement on my jet that no operator knew about and had no way of knowing about I'd go fricking ape sh%%t and can't believe that any professional pilot on this planet wouldn't.
If you defend the actions of the FAA and Boeing on this please elaborate. If you fly for AA or SWA please let elaborate on the weak response from the pilots and their unions on this. Why aren't you calling for a full investigation on WHAT ELSE was allowed to pass muster without any knowledge? Stop telling us what a great jet it is - focus on the process here and how it literally set up a weaker pilot (yet completely legal) to fail.
If you defend the actions of the FAA and Boeing on this please elaborate. If you fly for AA or SWA please let elaborate on the weak response from the pilots and their unions on this. Why aren't you calling for a full investigation on WHAT ELSE was allowed to pass muster without any knowledge? Stop telling us what a great jet it is - focus on the process here and how it literally set up a weaker pilot (yet completely legal) to fail.
03-13-2019 | 12:44 PM
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Your paycheck....not company profits. Y’all sure were concerned when things were flattish!
We go around endlessly about being safe and triple checking things and getting home safe (to those who you feed). But when the Max gets grounded by Trump and then by the FAA. We must be outraged!! The 787 was grounded and we didn’t hear quite the outrage for that.
Where’s the outrage when hundreds of planes are grounded due to polar vortexes and punishing nor’easters? No emotion for company profits then?
If the plane has a problem....write it up! If the plane has a flaw....ground it. The takeoff is the only thing we can delay indefinitely.
We go around endlessly about being safe and triple checking things and getting home safe (to those who you feed). But when the Max gets grounded by Trump and then by the FAA. We must be outraged!! The 787 was grounded and we didn’t hear quite the outrage for that.
Where’s the outrage when hundreds of planes are grounded due to polar vortexes and punishing nor’easters? No emotion for company profits then?
If the plane has a problem....write it up! If the plane has a flaw....ground it. The takeoff is the only thing we can delay indefinitely.
03-13-2019 | 01:09 PM
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Your paycheck....not company profits. Y’all sure were concerned when things were flattish!
We go around endlessly about being safe and triple checking things and getting home safe (to those who you feed). But when the Max gets grounded by Trump and then by the FAA. We must be outraged!! The 787 was grounded and we didn’t hear quite the outrage for that.
Where’s the outrage when hundreds of planes are grounded due to polar vortexes and punishing nor’easters? No emotion for company profits then?
If the plane has a problem....write it up! If the plane has a flaw....ground it. The takeoff is the only thing we can delay indefinitely.
We go around endlessly about being safe and triple checking things and getting home safe (to those who you feed). But when the Max gets grounded by Trump and then by the FAA. We must be outraged!! The 787 was grounded and we didn’t hear quite the outrage for that.
Where’s the outrage when hundreds of planes are grounded due to polar vortexes and punishing nor’easters? No emotion for company profits then?
If the plane has a problem....write it up! If the plane has a flaw....ground it. The takeoff is the only thing we can delay indefinitely.
03-13-2019 | 01:25 PM
#20
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Until further notice - unsafe.
And that can go into 100’s of different directions.
The Ethiopian crew must have been aware of the Lion Air accident and possible MCAS issues.
So either it’s related - or it’s not.
Liability wise nobody - read nobody - can help your airline from going out of business if it turns out to be related and powers that be decided not to ground the airplane.
And that’s why they have.
It’s cheaper to ground them now then possibly have to pay and go out of business later.
This wasn’t an emotional decision this was a business decision.
And that can go into 100’s of different directions.
The Ethiopian crew must have been aware of the Lion Air accident and possible MCAS issues.
So either it’s related - or it’s not.
Liability wise nobody - read nobody - can help your airline from going out of business if it turns out to be related and powers that be decided not to ground the airplane.
And that’s why they have.
It’s cheaper to ground them now then possibly have to pay and go out of business later.
This wasn’t an emotional decision this was a business decision.
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