737 MAX - Safe or Unsafe?
03-13-2019, 04:22 PM
#32
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver
FYI - MCAS doesn’t operate when the autopilot is engaged.
On another note - Runaway stabilizer as a result of MCAS issues or runaway that’s always been a potential failure on every 737 ever produced is still basically...... runaway stabilizer.
Used to be a memory item at brand X when I flew them there. Still is on my current 777 and probably every other Boeing out there. Handle the problem, fly the aircraft, turn off the cutout switches and land the broken aircraft. 8000 hours? One can probably do that, no problem. 200? Might be asking a lot.
On another note - Runaway stabilizer as a result of MCAS issues or runaway that’s always been a potential failure on every 737 ever produced is still basically...... runaway stabilizer.
Used to be a memory item at brand X when I flew them there. Still is on my current 777 and probably every other Boeing out there. Handle the problem, fly the aircraft, turn off the cutout switches and land the broken aircraft. 8000 hours? One can probably do that, no problem. 200? Might be asking a lot.
03-13-2019, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by costalpilot
cause they have memories.????
as in a long list of bankruptcies back in the day.
you'll learn.
as in a long list of bankruptcies back in the day.
you'll learn.
Can’t imagine that your union contract won’t have you pay protected when you MAX flight is grounded. Quit worrying about profits through a grounding and worry about your passenger and families safety. You’re pay protected....are we pilots are all gaming for highest pay with lowest work?
03-13-2019, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by RI830
Why are pilots suddenly concerned with company profits suddenly?
03-13-2019, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by LATIN
200 hours or not , if the airplane pitches down on you like the lion air did , there is no way that 200 hours or 8000 hours will save you.
We don’t know the cause yet , but if the two crashes are related , all of the airplanes should be grounded in order to protect the safety of the general public and our fellow pilots !
We don’t know the cause yet , but if the two crashes are related , all of the airplanes should be grounded in order to protect the safety of the general public and our fellow pilots !
Originally Posted by cole
You know the Lion air crew before the crash crew had the same issue as the crew that crashed and was able not to crash.
Originally Posted by Itsajob
It’s not like the autopilot commanded a snap roll. It slowly put in trim until it reached the autopilot limits. A big loud clacking trim wheel should have been a clue. Differences in pilot training are huge around the world. I wouldn’t avoid traveling with my family on any US airline or something like British Air or Lufthansa, but I wouldn’t ride on Aeroflot on a bet regardless of the type of plane.
Originally Posted by Tuck
The aircraft was certified with new systems and those systems were neither described in the FM or trained for in procedures yet the FAA signed off on that. THAT should bother every professional pilot out there.
03-13-2019, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by RI830
Your paycheck....not company profits. Y’all sure were concerned when things were flattish!
We go around endlessly about being safe and triple checking things and getting home safe (to those who you feed). But when the Max gets grounded by Trump and then by the FAA. We must be outraged!! The 787 was grounded and we didn’t hear quite the outrage for that.
Where’s the outrage when hundreds of planes are grounded due to polar vortexes and punishing nor’easters? No emotion for company profits then?
If the plane has a problem....write it up! If the plane has a flaw....ground it. The takeoff is the only thing we can delay indefinitely.
We go around endlessly about being safe and triple checking things and getting home safe (to those who you feed). But when the Max gets grounded by Trump and then by the FAA. We must be outraged!! The 787 was grounded and we didn’t hear quite the outrage for that.
Where’s the outrage when hundreds of planes are grounded due to polar vortexes and punishing nor’easters? No emotion for company profits then?
If the plane has a problem....write it up! If the plane has a flaw....ground it. The takeoff is the only thing we can delay indefinitely.
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