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Old 05-18-2020 | 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by flyguy81
I’m in the cut zone. No concessions unless they’re paid back in full by the company like a loan. I’d also prefer interest tacked on to incentivize them to pay the pilot group back ASAP
No offense, but that's like living in a land with unicorns and rainbows. No way, no how would I trust the company OR the union on that provision.
No.concessions.
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Old 05-18-2020 | 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
Yeah!! Pull up the ladder... screw those below me! I need my 140 TFP. /sarcasm

Oh, and by the way, you aren’t taking a contractual paycut per se... you must have bought into the 108 TFP lie and voted accordingly. Now you’re getting precisely what you voted yes on. Shucks!

RJS,
Please re-read my post. You are attributing to me personally a viewpoint that I never said I espoused, ie-you are calling me a pull up the ladder kind of guy, screw those below me, and having voted for TA2 and the 108 TFP comparison to legacies lie.
I don't know you and you don't know me so please don't confer onto me me personally things that were never said by me to be my personal beliefs. My post simply states what I believe -- that if it comes time to vote for a reduction in line guarantee that as a group most people will vote in their own financial self interest and that a vote like that would not pass.
As for me personally, I have over 11 years to go in this industry but I could retire tomorrow and live a very comfortable life financially due to 30+ years of living well below my means and investing long term. So, depending on the fine details of the scenario presented I would probably vote YES to a TEMPORARY reduction in line guarantee to keep everyone at SWA employed.
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Old 05-18-2020 | 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Loon
No offense, but that's like living in a land with unicorns and rainbows. No way, no how would I trust the company OR the union on that provision.
No.concessions.

we were never going to get back pay or a B-fund either.....

If they need help, I’m willing to help. But it won’t be free. If they’re not willing to repay us what is contractually owed, then I’ll take my chances.
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Old 05-18-2020 | 09:56 AM
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I would vote for a pay cut to keep the status qou I got about 4000 below me no furloughs or downgrades etc. Most guys I asked said they would, say that 80% said they would. But I don’t think you will see the company offer it.
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Old 05-18-2020 | 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Zman81
I would vote for a pay cut to keep the status qou I got about 4000 below me no furloughs or downgrades etc. Most guys I asked said they would, say that 80% said they would. But I don’t think you will see the company offer it.
I find this appalling. The sad part is that so many think like you.
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Old 05-18-2020 | 11:07 AM
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[QUOTE=Loon;3058970]I find this appalling. The sad part is that so many think like you.[/QUOTE

I am glad that I can bring that out in you !
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Old 05-18-2020 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Thunder1
RJS,
Please re-read my post. You are attributing to me personally a viewpoint that I never said I espoused, ie-you are calling me a pull up the ladder kind of guy, screw those below me, and having voted for TA2 and the 108 TFP comparison to legacies lie.
I don't know you and you don't know me so please don't confer onto me me personally things that were never said by me to be my personal beliefs. My post simply states what I believe -- that if it comes time to vote for a reduction in line guarantee that as a group most people will vote in their own financial self interest and that a vote like that would not pass.
As for me personally, I have over 11 years to go in this industry but I could retire tomorrow and live a very comfortable life financially due to 30+ years of living well below my means and investing long term. So, depending on the fine details of the scenario presented I would probably vote YES to a TEMPORARY reduction in line guarantee to keep everyone at SWA employed.
You're right, I did jump the gun and I apologize. I normally enjoy reading your posts so this one really struck me as out of character.
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Old 05-18-2020 | 11:52 AM
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I’m in the furlough zone and no amount of cuts can save 90% down in revenue. I’d rather come back to a ok paying job, we are already behind year 1-5 than other carriers.
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Old 05-18-2020 | 12:15 PM
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I'd vote for a reduction in guarantee. It's a self correcting concession. As soon as the customers come back it's meaningless. This would be my 4th career furlough if it gets to me. I don't wanna do it again.


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Old 05-18-2020 | 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
I'd vote for a reduction in guarantee. It's a self correcting concession. As soon as the customers come back it's meaningless. This would be my 4th career furlough if it gets to me. I don't wanna do it again.


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Same here and I agree. It's self correcting.
The good news is that pax counts are trending in the right direction, Covid vax News is all good today, and the industry appears poised to make a recovery. Hopefully we can continue a smart, phased reopening and start complaining about meaningless crap again soon.
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