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Old 05-18-2020 | 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
I'd vote for a reduction in guarantee. It's a self correcting concession. As soon as the customers come back it's meaningless. This would be my 4th career furlough if it gets to me. I don't wanna do it again.


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I do not want you to do it again also . I am all for a reduction of LG to keep pilots on the property.
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Old 05-18-2020 | 01:20 PM
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Spitballing here but if you reduce LG wouldn’t that encourage the company to overstuff in the future for greater coverage at same rate? What would a snap back be based on?

any measure we take should not just focus on the here and now but what it’s implications can be down the road. (Yes I’m very much junior)
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Old 05-18-2020 | 02:11 PM
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How many of the junior "no concessions, I want to come back to the same job" folks are guard/reserve bums that want to gain their time for military retirement. Is that what's driving such daring boldness?
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Old 05-18-2020 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Liberty
How many of the junior "no concessions, I want to come back to the same job" folks are guard/reserve bums that want to gain their time for military retirement. Is that what's driving such daring boldness?
single income, family of 4. No extra income stream. Without a guarantee of income being replaced, I say no concessions.

I’d also tie any voluntary reduction to profit. Once in the black by a negotiated % we get paid guarantee again, and I’d negotiate back pay for lost tfp to be paid once we hit a pre-determined financial goal.
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Old 05-18-2020 | 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by flyguy81
single income, family of 4. No extra income stream. Without a guarantee of income being replaced, I say no concessions.

I’d also tie any voluntary reduction to profit. Once in the black by a negotiated % we get paid guarantee again, and I’d negotiate back pay for lost tfp to be paid once we hit a pre-determined financial goal.
I may be confused on vocabulary. You're saying no concessions but in the very next sentence, you're communicating your ideas of voluntary reduction... I was thinking these were synonymous.
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Old 05-18-2020 | 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by flyguy81
single income, family of 4. No extra income stream. Without a guarantee of income being replaced, I say no concessions.
How does the other 3 feel about that tough guy?
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Old 05-18-2020 | 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ROFF
How does the other 3 feel about that tough guy?
I'm a bit more reserved with my communications but my mind was tracking this exact thought.
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Old 05-18-2020 | 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Squallrider
Spitballing here but if you reduce LG wouldn’t that encourage the company to overstuff in the future for greater coverage at same rate? What would a snap back be based on?

any measure we take should not just focus on the here and now but what it’s implications can be down the road. (Yes I’m very much junior)

That is a good point. It is in the best interest of the company to run lean, we use to be at 10 pilots per AC. I do not think the company wants to run fat. Once again JMO, and I know some may disagree with me .
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Old 05-18-2020 | 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Mozam
That is a good point. It is in the best interest of the company to run lean, we use to be at 10 pilots per AC. I do not think the company wants to run fat. Once again JMO, and I know some may disagree with me .
they’d run fat for the same cost any day of the week, more coverage. Less premium
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Old 05-18-2020 | 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Squallrider
they’d run fat for the same cost any day of the week, more coverage. Less premium
That is where we disagree. Premium save the company money by having less pilots . I am guessing you disagree with me on that .
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