That new DEN seniority is with the unfilled vacancies out in SFO,LAX and EWR. The next bid will likely drive that number even more junior. This was a predominantly WB focused bid so we ended up with 157 unfilled 787 and 777 FO slots across DCA,EWR, and SFO, along with the 46 unfilled Cap slots.

We are being told that the December vacancy bid is going to be NB focused so the potential for unfilled Captain slots on that one is even larger. Because of that we are hoping that the company will move more of the bids and flying to the mid-continent hubs of DEN, IAH, and ORD (heck maybe even some to CLE) Those would be less likely to go unfilled. Either way, I would expect the DEN Cap seniority mentioned above to get substantially more junior on the next bid, how junior will depend on how many of the bids the company decides to move into DEN from the West Coast???

All of this is based on a huge influx of planes next year coupled with a strange confluence of COVID flying and probation rules. At UA to hold a Captain bid you must be both off probation and have flown over 500 hours at UA. Because of COVID we have a good number of pilots that have completed probation but do not yet have the 500 hours. This is especially true for those 2019 hires that were on the airbus during the height of COVID as that fleet had less flying so the reserves were almost never used. That coupled with all of the 800 new hires this year are still on probation, so I am sure well over a 1000 pilots on the bottom of the list were not eligible for the award. A good couple hundred of them will become eligible over the next month or two as flying has returned domestically so all those airbus folks are flying much more. However the actual post COVID (if that is a thing) hiring didn't start until last spring so we are still prob 6 months from any of those bottom 800 folks completing probation.

 

yes, koolaid drinker indeed.

And I wouldn’t say you’re “correct.” Because we don’t know for sure how it would’ve played out without CARES.

But I’m guessing, SWA would have furloughed just like everyone else if CARES hadn’t passed.

other airlines didn’t furlough due to Fed money, and surprise, SWA didn’t furlough because of Fed money either.

SWA is no different these days among the big 4 when it comes to labor relations/furloughing/pay cuts/etc. SWAPA has sued the company 3-4 times over the last 2 years wanting money/etc.

You think GK et al gives a darn about “culture?” OR after dealing with all that, the ‘bottom line?”

If they were just bluffing, SWA could’ve just verbally threatened furloughs. but they sent out actual WARN letters right before Christmas. That’s ‘heart’-less. No LUV. That’s some awesome “culture” right there.

SWA isn’t a bad place to work, it’s just not “special” anymore.

 

This is the stone cold hard facts. I wish I could say any part of this was wrong. 5/20

 

Getting raked over the coals by Boeing and then COVID has led to a 3 year stretch the likes of which SWA has never seen. Coupled with what other airlines have to offer regarding career progression is going to make the next year or two interesting to watch. Finding new hires will not be an issue, retaining them is an entirely different story. I just finished a trip with a long(By SWA standards) overnight and no delays, reroutes or JA's. Pre MAX/COVID thats what every week was like. It was a very welcome reminder of how good this job can be. Dallas has their work cut out for them.

 

GOOD! Because when I read that all I hear is:

LEVERAGE!!!

 

We are just like all the others BUT we pay for parking, LTD,STD, LOL etc etc etc…. We are a regional with light twins, oh wait Envoy is paying 185K in bonus PLUS a flow through to big AA. We are Cape Air only painted blue.

The WARN letter was worse than it seems. Sure we all knew it was a political move. We all knew that BUT that’s worse than a financial move. If the place is financially falling apart and a WARN is sent out we can rationally justify it. This one was not financially motivated. The timing was not financially motivated. It was too invoke fear in the government that even big bad Southwest was going to eat it’s young. That means 1221 pilots with families were pawns…pawns in a game for government cheese. They treat family members that way? They threaten to kill off 1221 pilots that are family members to play a game? That’s insulting. I have no LUV for this place. I will drain every dollar out of this place and leave it a shell of itself if I can. I don’t help at all with wheelchairs and I don’t help with anything but my job. I will remember what GK and the LUV did to me and 1220 others.

On a side note I can not afford anymore stupid gifts from GK. Every gift I get costs me money….how about stock options GK? How about cash into retirement? For 120K points with accompanying taxes I do what I want and you can deal with the consequences.

 

Envoy is defaulting on payments by the way. At least we aren’t there.

 

Preach it brother (or sister)!


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Excuses for the furlough warning Christmas cards are irrelevant. Management decided it was worth it. Now they will have to live with the consequences.

 

Not making excuses. I agree it was effed up and said as much.