Upgrade times
04-27-2021 | 07:27 AM
#102
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I've been the most junior full time Captain at SWA since September 2019 and just want to throw some realism into this thread. I was hired by AirTran in April of 2008 and when I upgraded there were a bit more than 1,000 senior to me that bypassed. I run into guys regularly that express their regret for that decision. When we start upgrading again, which I'm guessing is only months away, upgrade classes will be filled with those pilots for at least a year before anything goes junior to me. By the time pilots junior to me start upgrading, it will fall back to around 12 years for upgrade times.
I love the optimistic projections being floated, but IMO, they just aren't realistic. I hope I'm wrong....
CFM
I love the optimistic projections being floated, but IMO, they just aren't realistic. I hope I'm wrong....
CFM
04-27-2021 | 08:37 AM
#103
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From: 737 FO
04-27-2021 | 11:10 AM
#105
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There is NO captain hired in 2011!! Those people that you see are lances that have since lost their star. Lances right now are more senior then me. The most junior real captain is (74XX GD). If you start with him and go up that’s the most junior. I know because I am not that far above him. I was a 2008 hire at AirTran.
04-27-2021 | 01:52 PM
#106
Furloughed Again?!
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From: Boeing 737
04-27-2021 | 02:02 PM
#107
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From: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
I've been the most junior full time Captain at SWA since September 2019 and just want to throw some realism into this thread. I was hired by AirTran in April of 2008 and when I upgraded there were a bit more than 1,000 senior to me that bypassed. I run into guys regularly that express their regret for that decision. When we start upgrading again, which I'm guessing is only months away, upgrade classes will be filled with those pilots for at least a year before anything goes junior to me. By the time pilots junior to me start upgrading, it will fall back to around 12 years for upgrade times.
I love the optimistic projections being floated, but IMO, they just aren't realistic. I hope I'm wrong....
CFM
I love the optimistic projections being floated, but IMO, they just aren't realistic. I hope I'm wrong....
CFM
04-27-2021 | 03:03 PM
#108
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Joined: Dec 2013
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I've been the most junior full time Captain at SWA since September 2019 and just want to throw some realism into this thread. I was hired by AirTran in April of 2008 and when I upgraded there were a bit more than 1,000 senior to me that bypassed. I run into guys regularly that express their regret for that decision. When we start upgrading again, which I'm guessing is only months away, upgrade classes will be filled with those pilots for at least a year before anything goes junior to me. By the time pilots junior to me start upgrading, it will fall back to around 12 years for upgrade times.
I love the optimistic projections being floated, but IMO, they just aren't realistic. I hope I'm wrong....
CFM
I love the optimistic projections being floated, but IMO, they just aren't realistic. I hope I'm wrong....
CFM
if the company stays hell bent on suppressing premium then I feel you are right about less bypassers
04-27-2021 | 06:06 PM
#109
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Yes. Some lances have been lancing for two plus years.
04-27-2021 | 06:25 PM
#110
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Those lances below the most junior captain are no longer lances. They cannot hold anywhere in the top 3.2% of the FO list. I believe Oakland is still the most junior lance base and recently I flew with a guy that was like 3 from getting cut and he was almost 800 numbers senior to me. Now once you do go through the upgrade you can still do your recurrent and qualifications from the left seat. This will keep you qualified so you don’t have to go through the whole upgrade training. The lance program was almost always more senior then junior captain cause you got best of both worlds. For some lances they would never hold their bidding power (because of age) on vacation because of age 65. Basically please keep your bids at 100% for every domicile so I can get outta Oakland !!!
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