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05-19-2021 | 04:15 AM
#281
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05-19-2021 | 05:58 AM
#282
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Yeah, sadly, that is the missing piece. Normally during times like this we have had hiring to backfill expansion. The way this whole thing went down, we had ETOPS suck a big chunk of manning left and no hiring to help out. So now we have a bunch of displaced pilots flying ETOPS and the regular CONUS schedule needs them and more.
It's a good problem to have. It means demand and expansion are outstripping the supply of pilots. I know it sucks for those of you who are commuting cross country, but just know that eventually this will even out and a crop of new hires will take your place. During "normal times", that would have already happened.
05-19-2021 | 06:32 AM
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05-19-2021 | 08:19 AM
#284
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Those pilots were going to be at home either way.... on ExTO or unused on reserve. Getting them to volunteer for a paycut saved the company hundreds of millions of dollars.
I guess the ultimate irony would be a pilot who was paid 88 TFP to stay at home for months on reserve, complaining about a fellow pilot who was paid 55 TFP to stay at home on ExTO ?
I guess the ultimate irony would be a pilot who was paid 88 TFP to stay at home for months on reserve, complaining about a fellow pilot who was paid 55 TFP to stay at home on ExTO ?
Either way, I’m glad it’s turning around for everybody.
05-19-2021 | 08:21 AM
#285
Furloughed Again?!
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Umm… or option 3. Furloughed. As evidenced by the WARN letters. Also, according to a small sample size (N=2) of my good SWA friends, a furlough vote would have gone “to hell with Dean” or would have been at least much closer than people think.
Either way, I’m glad it’s turning around for everybody.
Either way, I’m glad it’s turning around for everybody.
I think your friends are right
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05-19-2021 | 08:24 AM
#286
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Umm… or option 3. Furloughed. As evidenced by the WARN letters. Also, according to a small sample size (N=2) of my good SWA friends, a furlough vote would have gone “to hell with Dean” or would have been at least much closer than people think.
Either way, I’m glad it’s turning around for everybody.
Either way, I’m glad it’s turning around for everybody.
I was encouraging everyone I flew with not to try to save my job but preserve the current cba. I was safe from 1221 by a small margin but would’ve ended up two-legging to OAK to sit reserve, furloughed and driving a truck would’ve been much better.
05-19-2021 | 08:38 AM
#287
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Yep. The number of guys I've flown with who made some comment along the lines of "they shouldn't have been hired anyway" is not encouraging. One even suggested a new-hire should take VSP, "then just get re-hired later." Amazing.
There's a FYIGM crowd in every pilot group, unfortunately.
There's a FYIGM crowd in every pilot group, unfortunately.
05-19-2021 | 08:52 AM
#288
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There was never gonna be a furlough, it was a play for FM. If there was a vote, we Deans would’ve voted “no” and risked furlough rather than give concessions.
I was encouraging everyone I flew with not to try to save my job but preserve the current cba. I was safe from 1221 by a small margin but would’ve ended up two-legging to OAK to sit reserve, furloughed and driving a truck would’ve been much better.
I was encouraging everyone I flew with not to try to save my job but preserve the current cba. I was safe from 1221 by a small margin but would’ve ended up two-legging to OAK to sit reserve, furloughed and driving a truck would’ve been much better.
05-19-2021 | 08:58 AM
#289
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From: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
This is spot on. The company even acknowledged that they knew a furlough wasn’t needed. Furlough threat was just them not letting a good crisis go to waste. Touched on the feelings doing it just before Christmas. Which they could have done in January. They wanted 10% and Force Manure. CULTture be damned. This is the new Southwest. The old has been gone since Jelly took control.
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