Hiring 2022
10-22-2021, 07:46 PM
#11
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2015
Posts: 1,121
I "knew" I was going to get hired quickly too. I even got a better than expected starter job. Then my first interview at a legacy turned out to be absolutely awful. Reality check.
Apply everywhere. Take the first offer. Keep applying to anywhere you'd rather work than the place you're at. Repeat until you're at your "final" destination, and hope you made a wise choice. Then put your fingers in your ears shouting LALALALALA while your friends at fedex and UPS brag about making 25% more than you do while sitting reserve at home, blocking maybe 100 hrs on the year. I've had to listen to 5 years of that garbage but no I'm not gonna jump ship.
Seriously, that's an industry "best practice". Why beat a different path when the proven one works so darn well? The only gotcha is I would NEVER suggest to anyone that they even apply to a place that has a training payback, unless it's their very first instructional gig and it's their only foot in the door at the local flight school. Even then, the terms need to be really short, like 6 months. When I was moving up to the majors, the only 2 places I didn't apply to were American and Frontier. American because every time I jumpseated with them, the pilots seemed to be really disgruntled with their company and co-workers. Frontier because they had a 2-year training contract. I'd rather deliver pizzas than jump into either of those situations and I'm very thankful I landed at the "right" job for me. If you're not going to apply somewhere, have a better reason for it than you'd rather work somewhere else and you're waiting for them to call. Apply everywhere that you're willing to work if it's better than where you're at, period. My personal thresholds were training contracts and a disgruntled pilot group, other people have other criteria. I know lots of people who didn't apply to any cargo outfits because they don't like PM/night flying. Just pick reasonable criteria otherwise you're deviating from a proven career track for a silly reason.
Apply everywhere. Take the first offer. Keep applying to anywhere you'd rather work than the place you're at. Repeat until you're at your "final" destination, and hope you made a wise choice. Then put your fingers in your ears shouting LALALALALA while your friends at fedex and UPS brag about making 25% more than you do while sitting reserve at home, blocking maybe 100 hrs on the year. I've had to listen to 5 years of that garbage but no I'm not gonna jump ship.
Seriously, that's an industry "best practice". Why beat a different path when the proven one works so darn well? The only gotcha is I would NEVER suggest to anyone that they even apply to a place that has a training payback, unless it's their very first instructional gig and it's their only foot in the door at the local flight school. Even then, the terms need to be really short, like 6 months. When I was moving up to the majors, the only 2 places I didn't apply to were American and Frontier. American because every time I jumpseated with them, the pilots seemed to be really disgruntled with their company and co-workers. Frontier because they had a 2-year training contract. I'd rather deliver pizzas than jump into either of those situations and I'm very thankful I landed at the "right" job for me. If you're not going to apply somewhere, have a better reason for it than you'd rather work somewhere else and you're waiting for them to call. Apply everywhere that you're willing to work if it's better than where you're at, period. My personal thresholds were training contracts and a disgruntled pilot group, other people have other criteria. I know lots of people who didn't apply to any cargo outfits because they don't like PM/night flying. Just pick reasonable criteria otherwise you're deviating from a proven career track for a silly reason.
10-23-2021, 09:02 PM
#12
Line Holder
Joined APC: Feb 2017
Posts: 66
Best advice ever.
“Apply everywhere. Take the first offer. Keep applying to anywhere you'd rather work than the place you're at. Repeat until you're at your "final" destination, and hope you made a wise choice. Then put your fingers in your ears shouting LALALALALA”
“Apply everywhere. Take the first offer. Keep applying to anywhere you'd rather work than the place you're at. Repeat until you're at your "final" destination, and hope you made a wise choice. Then put your fingers in your ears shouting LALALALALA”
10-24-2021, 05:52 AM
#13
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 840
Originally Posted by flensr
I "knew" I was going to get hired quickly too. I even got a better than expected starter job. Then my first interview at a legacy turned out to be absolutely awful. Reality check.
Apply everywhere. Take the first offer. Keep applying to anywhere you'd rather work than the place you're at. Repeat until you're at your "final" destination, and hope you made a wise choice. Then put your fingers in your ears shouting LALALALALA while your friends at fedex and UPS brag about making 25% more than you do while sitting reserve at home, blocking maybe 100 hrs on the year. I've had to listen to 5 years of that garbage but no I'm not gonna jump ship.
Seriously, that's an industry "best practice". Why beat a different path when the proven one works so darn well? The only gotcha is I would NEVER suggest to anyone that they even apply to a place that has a training payback, unless it's their very first instructional gig and it's their only foot in the door at the local flight school. Even then, the terms need to be really short, like 6 months. When I was moving up to the majors, the only 2 places I didn't apply to were American and Frontier. American because every time I jumpseated with them, the pilots seemed to be really disgruntled with their company and co-workers. Frontier because they had a 2-year training contract. I'd rather deliver pizzas than jump into either of those situations and I'm very thankful I landed at the "right" job for me. If you're not going to apply somewhere, have a better reason for it than you'd rather work somewhere else and you're waiting for them to call. Apply everywhere that you're willing to work if it's better than where you're at, period. My personal thresholds were training contracts and a disgruntled pilot group, other people have other criteria. I know lots of people who didn't apply to any cargo outfits because they don't like PM/night flying. Just pick reasonable criteria otherwise you're deviating from a proven career track for a silly reason.
Apply everywhere. Take the first offer. Keep applying to anywhere you'd rather work than the place you're at. Repeat until you're at your "final" destination, and hope you made a wise choice. Then put your fingers in your ears shouting LALALALALA while your friends at fedex and UPS brag about making 25% more than you do while sitting reserve at home, blocking maybe 100 hrs on the year. I've had to listen to 5 years of that garbage but no I'm not gonna jump ship.
Seriously, that's an industry "best practice". Why beat a different path when the proven one works so darn well? The only gotcha is I would NEVER suggest to anyone that they even apply to a place that has a training payback, unless it's their very first instructional gig and it's their only foot in the door at the local flight school. Even then, the terms need to be really short, like 6 months. When I was moving up to the majors, the only 2 places I didn't apply to were American and Frontier. American because every time I jumpseated with them, the pilots seemed to be really disgruntled with their company and co-workers. Frontier because they had a 2-year training contract. I'd rather deliver pizzas than jump into either of those situations and I'm very thankful I landed at the "right" job for me. If you're not going to apply somewhere, have a better reason for it than you'd rather work somewhere else and you're waiting for them to call. Apply everywhere that you're willing to work if it's better than where you're at, period. My personal thresholds were training contracts and a disgruntled pilot group, other people have other criteria. I know lots of people who didn't apply to any cargo outfits because they don't like PM/night flying. Just pick reasonable criteria otherwise you're deviating from a proven career track for a silly reason.
10-24-2021, 06:39 AM
#14
Occasional box hauler
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 1,684
Then put your fingers in your ears shouting LALALALALA while your friends at fedex and UPS brag about making 25% more than you do while sitting reserve at home, blocking maybe 100 hrs on the year. I've had to listen to 5 years of that garbage but no I'm not gonna jump ship.
Do I know you?
good advice though
Do I know you?good advice though
10-25-2021, 03:32 PM
#17
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 840
Originally Posted by Ryder1587
Thanks for everyone’s suggestions. I submitted my Delta app and received an invitation 24 hours later. I still want to work for SWA but I hope they start to increase their invitations here shortly.
10-25-2021, 05:52 PM
#18
Line Holder
Joined APC: Aug 2016
Posts: 29
Originally Posted by Ryder1587
Thanks for everyone’s suggestions. I submitted my Delta app and received an invitation 24 hours later. I still want to work for SWA but I hope they start to increase their invitations here shortly.
11-06-2021, 10:58 AM
#20
New Hire
Joined APC: Nov 2021
Posts: 3
Hello everyone,
I was wondering if anyone knows of someone with an Air Force Commander Directed Downgrade as it relates to getting an interview. I’ve applied to the last couple windows but haven’t heard anything. I’ve had several friends with about the same experience level (meeting or exceeding all the time requirements and preferences, Air Force safety experience, current check pilot, etc) who applied after me and aren’t available for hiring immediately (I’m available now) that have already received invites. The only difference is I have a CDD from 6 years ago so I had to check yes on that box.
I was hoping all the good “yes” questions would outweigh that one, but at this point I’m starting to get discouraged. I also have only applied to SWA as it’s my #1 preference but am looking at expanding out based on the above discussion and not hearing anything. Anyone know of someone hired with a Q3 or CDD and if they had a similar experience?
I was wondering if anyone knows of someone with an Air Force Commander Directed Downgrade as it relates to getting an interview. I’ve applied to the last couple windows but haven’t heard anything. I’ve had several friends with about the same experience level (meeting or exceeding all the time requirements and preferences, Air Force safety experience, current check pilot, etc) who applied after me and aren’t available for hiring immediately (I’m available now) that have already received invites. The only difference is I have a CDD from 6 years ago so I had to check yes on that box.
I was hoping all the good “yes” questions would outweigh that one, but at this point I’m starting to get discouraged. I also have only applied to SWA as it’s my #1 preference but am looking at expanding out based on the above discussion and not hearing anything. Anyone know of someone hired with a Q3 or CDD and if they had a similar experience?
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