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10-10-2022 | 10:53 PM
#61
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Real leverage is the entire pilot list signing a resignation letter effective (pick date) if we don’t have a contract. Tick Toc. No RLA needed. You would be surprised how fast things get done. The tank in the stock price alone would bring them to the table asap. That’s where I am, YMMV. Everyone is hiring and corporate jobs have surpassed what an FO makes here with better quality of life. If you are not willing to leave, the company owns you. We are where we are because leaving is “unthinkable”.
10-11-2022 | 04:40 AM
#62
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Taking ExTo and delaying a much desired Mil Reserve retirement, only to be sent an impending furlough notice 120 days prior (when only 60 is required) right before Christmas!
I haven't calculated to loss in my 401k over that mistake because it will only enrage me.
Never again Gary (we all know you're still pulling the strings).
Never again.
FUPM
10-11-2022 | 06:44 AM
#63
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Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 4,553
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Taking something that isn't in your control that has a great effect on your personal and financial future and advocating for it to go further out of your control is foolhardy.
Remaining silent on the issue is great (I would have been fine with that), but then the same group that Is on here wanking about this decision would be also on here wanking that SWAPA isn't doing anything. Look deep in your hearts. You know it's true. APA is advocating against the extension, which is directly opposite to our best interests. Should SWAPA remain silent in that case?
Anyone who thinks that the Max 7 being put off longer will somehow result in more leverage, think again. It would be at the very worst time for our contract when we are finally at a stage where we will see some progress. We don't hold the keys to the -7, the feds do. In 6 months, we will have overhired ourselves into a bloated and greedy pilot group. Anyone who has been here longer than three years has seen it happen once. How did that feel? Did it result in any sort of leverage for us to accomplish anything? We are hiring NOW for max 7 deliveries.
So yeah, I am not for SWAPA helping the company solve their issues. This isn't just the company's issue, though. It's OUR issue in a big way. If SWAPA remains silent, APA gets to be the pilot union voice on the matter even though they have zero stake in it.
As I have said above, anyone who thinks any pilot union is moving the needle on this issue is deluded. This issue has already been decided by the hundreds of outstanding orders, mainly for the Max 10. Union comms in the issue are mainly just noise at this point.
Remaining silent on the issue is great (I would have been fine with that), but then the same group that Is on here wanking about this decision would be also on here wanking that SWAPA isn't doing anything. Look deep in your hearts. You know it's true. APA is advocating against the extension, which is directly opposite to our best interests. Should SWAPA remain silent in that case?
Anyone who thinks that the Max 7 being put off longer will somehow result in more leverage, think again. It would be at the very worst time for our contract when we are finally at a stage where we will see some progress. We don't hold the keys to the -7, the feds do. In 6 months, we will have overhired ourselves into a bloated and greedy pilot group. Anyone who has been here longer than three years has seen it happen once. How did that feel? Did it result in any sort of leverage for us to accomplish anything? We are hiring NOW for max 7 deliveries.
So yeah, I am not for SWAPA helping the company solve their issues. This isn't just the company's issue, though. It's OUR issue in a big way. If SWAPA remains silent, APA gets to be the pilot union voice on the matter even though they have zero stake in it.
As I have said above, anyone who thinks any pilot union is moving the needle on this issue is deluded. This issue has already been decided by the hundreds of outstanding orders, mainly for the Max 10. Union comms in the issue are mainly just noise at this point.
10-12-2022 | 06:58 PM
#67
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Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 3,655
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Then UAL, AA, and DL mgt are in the same boat I guess….everyone else has come out with new CBA’s with huge gains. Big 4 are the only ones left….(rumor is NK is finishing up and something will drop by spring)
10-12-2022 | 09:36 PM
#68
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Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 72
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Taking something that isn't in your control that has a great effect on your personal and financial future and advocating for it to go further out of your control is foolhardy.
Remaining silent on the issue is great (I would have been fine with that), but then the same group that Is on here wanking about this decision would be also on here wanking that SWAPA isn't doing anything. Look deep in your hearts. You know it's true. APA is advocating against the extension, which is directly opposite to our best interests. Should SWAPA remain silent in that case?
Anyone who thinks that the Max 7 being put off longer will somehow result in more leverage, think again. It would be at the very worst time for our contract when we are finally at a stage where we will see some progress. We don't hold the keys to the -7, the feds do. In 6 months, we will have overhired ourselves into a bloated and greedy pilot group. Anyone who has been here longer than three years has seen it happen once. How did that feel? Did it result in any sort of leverage for us to accomplish anything? We are hiring NOW for max 7 deliveries.
So yeah, I am not for SWAPA helping the company solve their issues. This isn't just the company's issue, though. It's OUR issue in a big way. If SWAPA remains silent, APA gets to be the pilot union voice on the matter even though they have zero stake in it.
As I have said above, anyone who thinks any pilot union is moving the needle on this issue is deluded. This issue has already been decided by the hundreds of outstanding orders, mainly for the Max 10. Union comms in the issue are mainly just noise at this point.
Remaining silent on the issue is great (I would have been fine with that), but then the same group that Is on here wanking about this decision would be also on here wanking that SWAPA isn't doing anything. Look deep in your hearts. You know it's true. APA is advocating against the extension, which is directly opposite to our best interests. Should SWAPA remain silent in that case?
Anyone who thinks that the Max 7 being put off longer will somehow result in more leverage, think again. It would be at the very worst time for our contract when we are finally at a stage where we will see some progress. We don't hold the keys to the -7, the feds do. In 6 months, we will have overhired ourselves into a bloated and greedy pilot group. Anyone who has been here longer than three years has seen it happen once. How did that feel? Did it result in any sort of leverage for us to accomplish anything? We are hiring NOW for max 7 deliveries.
So yeah, I am not for SWAPA helping the company solve their issues. This isn't just the company's issue, though. It's OUR issue in a big way. If SWAPA remains silent, APA gets to be the pilot union voice on the matter even though they have zero stake in it.
As I have said above, anyone who thinks any pilot union is moving the needle on this issue is deluded. This issue has already been decided by the hundreds of outstanding orders, mainly for the Max 10. Union comms in the issue are mainly just noise at this point.
10-13-2022 | 02:59 AM
#69
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Joined: May 2018
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You know how many of our pilots don't know about other airlines contracts/pay/whatever? Its about the same that don't know we get reimbursed for medicals, don't know how the DTC in elitt works even though its been around for a while, and still SET to "save the monies"...
I like to think OUR pricetag is increasing, but I think unless people get educated on what's out there, they don't know. They don't go on forums, or FB pages. Its not like SWAlife is gonna sent them a telegram they can read with the latest stuff. Maybe SWAPA needs to do a 2022 PAY/Contract/Rules update and send it out for the caveman.. cave people... to check out.
I like to think OUR pricetag is increasing, but I think unless people get educated on what's out there, they don't know. They don't go on forums, or FB pages. Its not like SWAlife is gonna sent them a telegram they can read with the latest stuff. Maybe SWAPA needs to do a 2022 PAY/Contract/Rules update and send it out for the caveman.. cave people... to check out.
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