Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris

Since you are looking from the outside in you should direct those questions to our mediator. We have been in mediation for a year and a half now and she has been siding with the company almost every step of the way. She has stated numerous times that we will not get released due to the fact that the compensation package with a 43% raise, is the highest since the Railroad Labor Act (apparently) or something to that extent. Since you are from the outside looking in you have probably not seen our unions previous asks and the company's previous proposals. Our union has pushed for way way way above what has been agreed to in the AIP however with this mediator it's not so simple as you make it out to be. Our MEC has fought tooth and nail for almost 3 years on every single detail of this new contract. So to assume that we are just rolling over is a complete exaggeration and the thoughts of someone who doesn't work here and hasn't followed our process and dealings over the last 3 years.

Congratulations on sharing your uninformed opinion.

Originally Posted by balakay

C'mon slick....He's giving an opinion, and some good points at that. I welcome all that give pointers, praise, and precautions on what to possibly expect. Shows were looking out for the brotherhood. Hard to start chastising when it has been nothing but a few bullet point items. Wait for final language, then vote what YOU think is acceptable or not.

Originally Posted by RJSAviator76

I'm a SWA guy watching this with some interest...

Here's what I see from outside looking in:

* Your pay. Will you be able to look at your "Discount Fares, Not Discount Pilots" lanyards and believe you're no longer a "discount pilot"? Only you can answer that.

* Is there any reason for the company to stagger your 401k contributions in this fashion? That was one thing I was against with our contract here. We're at 14.2% now and will reach 15% in January 2019. In my opinion, there was absolutely ZERO reason for the company not to go straight to 15%. That was a pure discount for the company. Whether that's good enough, it's purely up to you.

* LTD is huge indeed. Do you maintain your health insurance with Spirit if you're out on LTD? Something to keep an eye on... the devil is in details. What good is LTD if your medical premiums aren't covered and you're dumped from your health insurance plan?

* PBS. Ugh... that alone would be a no vote from me without an otherwise industry-leading contract as that's generally a major concession and a win for the company. The devil is in details...

My final parting shot... don't get blinded by the numbers and don't fear the mediator. Remember, the mediator's job is to get you to an acceptable agreement. Only you can decide whether you consider this to be an acceptable agreement in today's environment. Aside from your counterparts at other airlines, think tax cuts, and the extra money that Spirit will be keeping as the result of the new tax law.

Congratulations on the AIP.

Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris

So someone who doesn't even work here can come in here giving their uninformed opinions based off some bullet points they saw but I can't voice my own opinion? Makes sense.

Originally Posted by Riverside

Welcome to apc.

Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris

Since you are looking from the outside in you should direct those questions to our mediator. We have been in mediation for a year and a half now and she has been siding with the company almost every step of the way. She has stated numerous times that we will not get released due to the fact that the compensation package with a 43% raise, is the highest since the Railroad Labor Act (apparently) or something to that extent. Since you are from the outside looking in you have probably not seen our unions previous asks and the company's previous proposals. Our union has pushed for way way way above what has been agreed to in the AIP however with this mediator it's not so simple as you make it out to be. Our MEC has fought tooth and nail for almost 3 years on every single detail of this new contract. So to assume that we are just rolling over is a complete exaggeration and the thoughts of someone who doesn't work here and hasn't followed our process and dealings over the last 3 years.

Congratulations on sharing your uninformed opinion.

Originally Posted by RJSAviator76

I'm a SWA guy watching this with some interest...

Here's what I see from outside looking in:

* Your pay. Will you be able to look at your "Discount Fares, Not Discount Pilots" lanyards and believe you're no longer a "discount pilot"? Only you can answer that.

* Is there any reason for the company to stagger your 401k contributions in this fashion? That was one thing I was against with our contract here. We're at 14.2% now and will reach 15% in January 2019. In my opinion, there was absolutely ZERO reason for the company not to go straight to 15%. That was a pure discount for the company. Whether that's good enough, it's purely up to you.

* LTD is huge indeed. Do you maintain your health insurance with Spirit if you're out on LTD? Something to keep an eye on... the devil is in details. What good is LTD if your medical premiums aren't covered and you're dumped from your health insurance plan?

* PBS. Ugh... that alone would be a no vote from me without an otherwise industry-leading contract as that's generally a major concession and a win for the company. The devil is in details...

My final parting shot... don't get blinded by the numbers and don't fear the mediator. Remember, the mediator's job is to get you to an acceptable agreement. Only you can decide whether you consider this to be an acceptable agreement in today's environment. Aside from your counterparts at other airlines, think tax cuts, and the extra money that Spirit will be keeping as the result of the new tax law.

Congratulations on the AIP.

Originally Posted by Xdashdriver

"5-G-2 Schedules shall contain a minimum of five (5) hours pay value, averaged, for each day in a Trip."

Copied and pasted from the 2016 United PWA (bold mine). I think someone posted it already a page or two back.

Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris

So someone who doesn't even work here can come in here giving their uninformed opinions based off some bullet points they saw but I can't voice my own opinion? Makes sense.