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01-14-2018 | 05:29 PM

#261

FML666

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Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris

Changed your mind on that post there eh Bunker? lol

He shouldn't have.

01-14-2018 | 05:30 PM

#262

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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets

United 2nd year A320 FO pay in 2019 = 140.17........just sayin.

United 5th year A320 FO pay in 2019 = 172.03.........just sayin.

Do you have the average price of a UA ticket and profit margins on those tickets, domestic and intl?

01-14-2018 | 05:46 PM

#263

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Originally Posted by TerrainOnND

Exactly what management wants you to focus on. Here's the problem... What will the other airlines' pay be in 3 or 4 years? Guess where Spirit's pay will be in comparison. Right back to the current situation.

Not that I wish it open their pilot group, and in any event this just my opinion, but I can see United back in bankruptcy in 4 years. Considering they can barely maintain 3% margins with cheap fuel, it won't take much to throw them back in the red.

That's just one example.

01-14-2018 | 05:48 PM

#264

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[MENTION=38216]master[/MENTION]ofPuppets

We get it, UAL is the greatest airline ever. Nevermind the two BKs within 5 years of each other and always being one Bad PR stunt away from losing money, lol. Greatest airline ever

01-14-2018 | 05:54 PM

#265

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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets

United 2nd year A320 FO pay in 2019 = 140.17........just sayin.

United 5th year A320 FO pay in 2019 = 172.03.........just sayin.

Douche bag post coming from someone at a carrier with an ever increasingly narrow profit margin.

Apparently you weren’t there when they agreed to 30% in concessions while these Spirit pilots raised the bar by going on strike and being paid more than anyone in the industry at the time.

Here’s a UAL reminder for you:

“The 8,800 pilots would also take pay cuts of 30 percent from their salary at the end of last year under the agreement. They would receive annual raises of 1.5 percent, starting in 2006. The new contract begins on May 1 and lasts for six years.”

These guys have some big decisions to make. You come on here with an opinion from another carrier keep it professional.

01-14-2018 | 06:01 PM

#266

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Originally Posted by balakay

Actually, they are informed opinions based on experience. There are many at NK that have 1. Never gone through formal negotiations 2. Have never worked under PBS 3. Are unaware of some pitfalls that can present themselves wrapped with a bow.....etc. etc. etc.

If you don't like his opinions, then ignore them. Simple....Even a caveman can do it.

1. All negotiations are different. To think that if you have seen one you have seen them all is less than accurate. 2. Most PBS experiences differ massively between carriers. Some really like it and some don't but 99% of people who have no experience with it say it's terrible because it's the standard answer just like people from outside California say that in-N-out burger is amazing. They say it because they hear other people say it

01-14-2018 | 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by AllOva736

Woah woah woah! Leave in-n-out alone! Mmmmm double double...

01-14-2018 | 06:10 PM

#268

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Originally Posted by Beans

The downfall that you dont see is the commutability. With the rigs they dont pay you not to fly. You will fly all those hours in butt seat time a day at least. All of the noncomuttable pairs adds numerous days a month away from home not getting paid.

Every trip is commutable when you drive to work....

01-14-2018 | 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris

So someone who doesn't even work here can come in here giving their uninformed opinions based off some bullet points they saw but I can't voice my own opinion? Makes sense.

Voice your opinion, but don't be an ass...

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01-14-2018 | 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by PasserOGas

So this is per calender day, but not a daily min rig? So no 10 hr 3 days correct?

Correct no 10hr 3 days in that situation. That is the difference between calendar day averaging and duty period averaging.

Hard calendar day min are another level.