we dont have min day credit, or all the redeye turns would be 9 hours of pay and go stupid senior

 

Dude are you serious??

 

Yes. And he thought the war would be over on Dec 8 as well.

 

I guess I’m not understanding the question. That was obviously not a serious quip I stated, so if you’re asking at face value if I’m serious, then no. If you’re asking if i was seriously making a quip, then yes.

 

So this thread should be titled "the lines are getting worse in LAS"

In DFW we actually have quite a few pairings this month that are commutable on at least one end, which is rare here in the big D.

 

thanks. So for an example, do you mean a “4 day” thats all late/redeye flying? Or a long layover so there is only 3 duty periods? Most 4 days still 4 duty periods right? Just trying to get an idea of what schedules are like vs my current airline.

 

We do a lot of red eye flying and they seem to be addding more every month. Trips that span 4 calendar days but have 3 duty periods are common. If it has an overnight 22hrs or longer it will credit an extra duty period. Problem is that threshold changes to 24hrs when we switch to pbs and we get a lot of these types of trips with 21hr overnights not 22hrs.

It’s also not a 4.5 per duty period it’s an average of them all. Average is common but with calendar day not duty period. The kicker that no one has is that within each of those duty periods we total up the block for the block or better calculation. It’s not done on a leg by leg basis. Over block one leg by 30min then under block the next by 30min you get nothing. Beautiful isn’t it.

After pbs we go to 5.0 per duty period average with an extra duty period credit calculated in the average for a 24hr overnight. Still not calendar day. Trip rig of 3.5 to 1 time away from base. Current block or better industry bottom calculation maintained.

 

We don't have 4.5 hr min day credit, we have 4.5 hr min duty credit:
Trip starts Thursday 24th, ends Sunday 27th (early AM), so takes up 4 calendar days, pays 3x4.5=13.5 hr credit.

Pairing # L4272 : 24MAY

L4272 : 24MAY ONLY ON THU BSE REPT: 2300L Operates: May 24 Only
Base/Equip: LAS/321 CA01FO01
DY DD DH C FLTNO DPS-ARS DEPL ARRL BLKT GRNT OA EQP TBLK TDHD TCRD TDUTY/FDP LAYOVER
TH 24 696 LAS-BWI 2345 0718 0433 320 0433 0433 0548/0518 BWI 1326
D-END: 0748L (NR 900) REPT: 2114L HYATT PLACE BALTIMORE AIR 410-859-3366
FR 25 369 BWI-ORD 2159 2309 0210 320 0210 0210 0325/0255 ORD 1850
D-END: 2339L (NR 900) REPT: 1829L DOUBLETREE OHARE ROSEMONT 847-292-9100
SA 26 * 295 ORD-IAH 1914 2205 0251 0054 320
SA 26 199 IAH-LAS 2259 0010 0311 320 0602 0602 0811/0741
D-END: 0040L T.A.F.B.: 4940 TRIP RIG: 0045
Total: 1245 0000 1330 1724/1554

EDIT: just saw question has been answered already, here is a sample trip, sorry for formatting..

 

Not sure if directed at me, but since I took offence I might as well answer:
NO asshat, I didn't. I read all of the comparison pdf-s to see all the changes, looked at the videos and asked questions. The pay-scales took about 5 minutes to realize they were lower than they should be. In all the surveys I stressed the need for average min day as opposed to just min day, and I have said the same to any pilot I have flown with since I came here, but thank you for your interest.

 

You mean we needed a min day instead of average right?