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Old 08-02-2021 | 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by onedolla
Do they though? As bad as it is this week, I still think most [of us] will still continue to “Sort By: Price Low to High”

Don’t get me wrong, I wish we’d rebrand as much as the next guy, but it just seems so unlikely when people only think with their wallets. This current outrage will just become another forgotten memory or a “Maybe I’ll give them one more chance since it’s so cheap” type situation I think.
No $hit. Of course it will be. Look Im not a kook-aid drinker, but I’ll be honest with you. I’ve been here just shy of 3 years. The only time I’ve seen a really really big $hit storm was Easter 2019. Say what you want, but that legit was weather. I finishing new hire training and had a hell of a time getting home for the holiday on various legacy carriers.

Bottom line is 97% of people are completely full of it. It’s internet tough talk. “F airline XYZ. Never flying these Dbags ever again I tell you!” 🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱

Airline meltdowns are a revolving door. We all get our 15 mins and it closes. Our door is going to be open again (like every single airline at some point).

Now people may think I’m sympathetic. I’m in NO WAY CONDONING this. This is, obviously, NOT GOOD, but I’m also not stupid. The fact that we operate 600-700 flights a day (without issue) is simply insane to me. I mean truly. The logistics of it all? It really really is mindblowing.

TLDR - Spirit is going nowhere despite an unfortunate meltdown that happens to, literally, 100% of Every legacy and major carrier in the US. And no I’m not condoning it.
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Old 08-02-2021 | 08:47 PM
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https://news.yahoo.com/more-700-spirit-american-flights-212611220.html
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Old 08-02-2021 | 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by MainlineorSuici
Serious Q, would it be best to just completely rebrand the entire airline? The rep would die with the Spirit name.

A massive portion of the flying public unfortunately falls into the “yeah I’ll pay a little more to not fly spirit” bucket.
The Frontier branding will prevail after the merge
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Old 08-03-2021 | 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
The Frontier branding will prevail after the merge
oh yeah cause that name is so much better...

Let’s try Braniff Airlines instead...everybody loved them

I would love me some orange Airbuses
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Old 08-03-2021 | 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Halon1211
oh yeah cause that name is so much better...

Let’s try Braniff Airlines instead...everybody loved them

I would love me some orange Airbuses
Spirit takes 90% of the heat while Frontier does it’s thing and catches just a little flack.
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Old 08-03-2021 | 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by CAirBear



Now people may think I’m sympathetic. I’m in NO WAY CONDONING this. This is, obviously, NOT GOOD, but I’m also not stupid. The fact that we operate 600-700 flights a day (without issue) is simply insane to me. I mean truly. The logistics of it all? It really really is mindblowing.


Indeed. Most people don't realize how many things have to go exactly right for so much as ONE airplane to get off the gate on time and get to its next gate on time, let alone hundreds or thousands...


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Old 08-03-2021 | 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by flyboyike
Indeed. Most people don't realize how many things have to go exactly right for so much as ONE airplane to get off the gate on time and get to its next gate on time, let alone hundreds or thousands...


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Yes but there is no excuse. Top management is way out of touch with frontline employees. They are putting the kart before the horse and every year except 20’ there has been a major meltdown with promises to shareholders to fix things. Yet here we are again.
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Old 08-03-2021 | 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Mtnbikemike
Yes but there is no excuse. Top management is way out of touch with frontline employees. They are putting the kart before the horse and every year except 20’ there has been a major meltdown with promises to shareholders to fix things. Yet here we are again.
This is far from our typical meltdown. Yes we've sat waiting for gates before because we operate to tight, but when have you ever sat 45 min in front of an empty gate waiting?

You guys act like we're the only ones having a problem. I can't believe we've lasted this long. Everyone this summer has had problems, except maybe UAL at this point. The whole Industry is a mess.

NOw get vaccinated and wear your mask. 😉
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Old 08-03-2021 | 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by putzin
This is far from our typical meltdown. Yes we've sat waiting for gates before because we operate to tight, but when have you ever sat 45 min in front of an empty gate waiting?

You guys act like we're the only ones having a problem. I can't believe we've lasted this long. Everyone this summer has had problems, except maybe UAL at this point. The whole Industry is a mess.

NOw get vaccinated and wear your mask. 😉
I don’t think it’s the seasonal collapse that’s the issue, like you said, it’s going to happen.

It’s the loss of operational control every time it happens. You can’t lose control of the operation. You can’t have crews stuck for days and no way to get ahold of anyone. How many crews are canceled and won’t receive a call to inform them they are canceled, etc? How many crews are having to secure their own hotels because nobody on the company side will do it? That’s kind of the larger issue, losing operational control to the point where your crews are stranded out throughout the system and realizing it will likely be days until scheduling even gets to them, so it’s every crew to fend for themselves. That’s the larger issue

Reminds me of 2015 where we lost operational control and guys were saying screw it and flying home. Scheduling would call them a few days later and ask where they were, “I went home.”

I’m canceled for today, no call of course. No scheduling modification. So I won’t go to the airport even though we haven’t been modified off the pairing. Hotel? They aren’t reachable to secure us a room so looks like I’ll have to ask the hotel to extend or use the credit card for reimbursement. Point is, the operation shouldn’t collapse annually like it does and lose operational control.
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Old 08-03-2021 | 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
I don’t think it’s the seasonal collapse that’s the issue, like you said, it’s going to happen.

It’s the loss of operational control every time it happens. You can’t lose control of the operation. You can’t have crews stuck for days and no way to get ahold of anyone. How many crews are canceled and won’t receive a call to inform them they are canceled, etc? How many crews are having to secure their own hotels because nobody on the company side will do it? That’s kind of the larger issue, losing operational control to the point where your crews are stranded out throughout the system and realizing it will likely be days until scheduling even gets to them, so it’s every crew to fend for themselves. That’s the larger issue

Reminds me of 2015 where we lost operational control and guys were saying screw it and flying home. Scheduling would call them a few days later and ask where they were, “I went home.”

I’m canceled for today, no call of course. No scheduling modification. So I won’t go to the airport even though we haven’t been modified off the pairing. Hotel? They aren’t reachable to secure us a room so looks like I’ll have to ask the hotel to extend or use the credit card for reimbursement. Point is, the operation shouldn’t collapse annually like it does and lose operational control.
Agree with all of the above.
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