Yeah, our QOL is sub par at best if you ask me. I like working here but I'm tired of hearing how great our QOL is from guys that have no idea how great the legacies and other airlines have it.

 

Are these things that other majors are actively trying to get? “Wow, look at that part of Spirit’s contract, let’s see if we can get that too”. It doesn’t seem to me any contract comparison publications ever include ANY parts of our contract as wins. Maybe they’re missing something, but I doubt it.

 

UAL has ready reserve.

F9 does red eye turns.

 

We do red eye turns...

 

Not if you sleep through the second leg.

 

Sleep through both and it’s like snoozing for dollars in the bunk of a wide body…. Boom legacy QOL

 

My W-2 as a reserve captain is pretty pi ss poor compared to everyone else. Let's fix that while we're at it.

 

What this guy said…..
our hold times for scheduling are ridiculous. The fact we are expected to sit around the airport for hours to find out we are released is ludicrous. This contract still has a lot to be fixed. We don’t have industry leading anything except our turn over rate on the ramp, inflight and ops. We need 20% raise just to get even

 

agree - I did some digging around on their hotels. They don’t stay in Hampton’s, Fairfield’s, Hyatt places, and they only have one courtyard hotel as it’s the only acceptable hotel in one of their overnight stays.

It’s a ULCC - better then a regional? Yes - but this is not a legacy by far in all aspects. Especially with regards to FO pay.

The new normal - Rescheduled into a new trip and land with no hotel reservation and wait hours for a hotel confirmation.

 

This thought process is toxic. We deserve better pay rates and I’m sick of of these idiotic excuses that our group comes up with to justify their happiness with a career at Spirit. Our QOL is pretty good, the red/green system is great, but that doesn’t mean that every other major and legacy carrier (that are getting paid far more than us I’ll add) don’t have a great QOL too. In fact, friends all over the industry have it much better than us in many different QOL categories. I’ll list them if someone wants to dispute it.
Think about this- a 5 year Spirit captain is getting paid $53 less per hour than a United 5 year airbus captain. At our min reserve guarantee of 72 hours (which is also below industry average) is $3,816 per month and nearly $46,000 per year. You like to work a little extra and credit 85 hours per month? That’s now a pay difference of $4,505 per month and $54,000 per year. Are you really willing to die on the “we have the best QOL in the industry” hill with the rest of the cheerleaders at this cost?
We have the lowest CASM of any airline running the 320s and Spirit loves to brag about it during their investor calls. Management wants to grow us to 300 airplanes and 5,000 pilots by 2027, and bigger beyond that. Put on your big boy pants and demand industry standard pay when negation season comes around. Wouldn’t you rather brag about our great QOL and pay while your sitting in United’s jump seat?