United v. Spirit
07-18-2021 | 02:54 PM
#251
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This thought process is toxic. We deserve better pay rates and I’m sick of of these idiotic excuses that our group comes up with to justify their happiness with a career at Spirit. Our QOL is pretty good, the red/green system is great, but that doesn’t mean that every other major and legacy carrier (that are getting paid far more than us I’ll add) don’t have a great QOL too. In fact, friends all over the industry have it much better than us in many different QOL categories. I’ll list them if someone wants to dispute it.
Think about this- a 5 year Spirit captain is getting paid $53 less per hour than a United 5 year airbus captain. At our min reserve guarantee of 72 hours (which is also below industry average) is $3,816 per month and nearly $46,000 per year. You like to work a little extra and credit 85 hours per month? That’s now a pay difference of $4,505 per month and $54,000 per year. Are you really willing to die on the “we have the best QOL in the industry” hill with the rest of the cheerleaders at this cost?
We have the lowest CASM of any airline running the 320s and Spirit loves to brag about it during their investor calls. Management wants to grow us to 300 airplanes and 5,000 pilots by 2027, and bigger beyond that. Put on your big boy pants and demand industry standard pay when negation season comes around. Wouldn’t you rather brag about our great QOL and pay while your sitting in United’s jump seat?
Think about this- a 5 year Spirit captain is getting paid $53 less per hour than a United 5 year airbus captain. At our min reserve guarantee of 72 hours (which is also below industry average) is $3,816 per month and nearly $46,000 per year. You like to work a little extra and credit 85 hours per month? That’s now a pay difference of $4,505 per month and $54,000 per year. Are you really willing to die on the “we have the best QOL in the industry” hill with the rest of the cheerleaders at this cost?
We have the lowest CASM of any airline running the 320s and Spirit loves to brag about it during their investor calls. Management wants to grow us to 300 airplanes and 5,000 pilots by 2027, and bigger beyond that. Put on your big boy pants and demand industry standard pay when negation season comes around. Wouldn’t you rather brag about our great QOL and pay while your sitting in United’s jump seat?
Coming from a regional this place is great, but I see no reason not to fight for more. If managment wants to double in size and play with the big boys/girls, they need to adjust on every aspect not just the ones they find convenient.
07-18-2021 | 03:00 PM
#252
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I would love an extra $50,000 a year, especially considering that’s what I will probably make this year once training expenses and all is considered.
Coming from a regional this place is great, but I see no reason not to fight for more. If managment wants to double in size and play with the big boys/girls, they need to adjust on every aspect not just the ones they find convenient.
Coming from a regional this place is great, but I see no reason not to fight for more. If managment wants to double in size and play with the big boys/girls, they need to adjust on every aspect not just the ones they find convenient.
07-18-2021 | 03:09 PM
#253
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07-18-2021 | 03:44 PM
#254
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This thought process is toxic. We deserve better pay rates and I’m sick of of these idiotic excuses that our group comes up with to justify their happiness with a career at Spirit. Our QOL is pretty good, the red/green system is great, but that doesn’t mean that every other major and legacy carrier (that are getting paid far more than us I’ll add) don’t have a great QOL too. In fact, friends all over the industry have it much better than us in many different QOL categories. I’ll list them if someone wants to dispute it.
Think about this- a 5 year Spirit captain is getting paid $53 less per hour than a United 5 year airbus captain. At our min reserve guarantee of 72 hours (which is also below industry average) is $3,816 per month and nearly $46,000 per year. You like to work a little extra and credit 85 hours per month? That’s now a pay difference of $4,505 per month and $54,000 per year. Are you really willing to die on the “we have the best QOL in the industry” hill with the rest of the cheerleaders at this cost?
We have the lowest CASM of any airline running the 320s and Spirit loves to brag about it during their investor calls. Management wants to grow us to 300 airplanes and 5,000 pilots by 2027, and bigger beyond that. Put on your big boy pants and demand industry standard pay when negation season comes around. Wouldn’t you rather brag about our great QOL and pay while your sitting in United’s jump seat?
Think about this- a 5 year Spirit captain is getting paid $53 less per hour than a United 5 year airbus captain. At our min reserve guarantee of 72 hours (which is also below industry average) is $3,816 per month and nearly $46,000 per year. You like to work a little extra and credit 85 hours per month? That’s now a pay difference of $4,505 per month and $54,000 per year. Are you really willing to die on the “we have the best QOL in the industry” hill with the rest of the cheerleaders at this cost?
We have the lowest CASM of any airline running the 320s and Spirit loves to brag about it during their investor calls. Management wants to grow us to 300 airplanes and 5,000 pilots by 2027, and bigger beyond that. Put on your big boy pants and demand industry standard pay when negation season comes around. Wouldn’t you rather brag about our great QOL and pay while your sitting in United’s jump seat?
Just like last go around I keep hearing how we need this and that, but nobody doesn’t anything but type on a forum and expect it to be handed to them.
As soon as I see 100% engagement from this group,
including picketing events and all pilot calls, I’ll be right back in. But fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice…
Do you realize how insane it is that pilots had to seek “vigilante justice” on guys because we had pilots who were so self absorbed, they only cared about themselves?
I’ll be back walking in circles once I see it isn’t just me and the same 20 guys like last time at the events I attended
07-18-2021 | 03:47 PM
#255
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This thought process is toxic. We deserve better pay rates and I’m sick of of these idiotic excuses that our group comes up with to justify their happiness with a career at Spirit. Our QOL is pretty good, the red/green system is great, but that doesn’t mean that every other major and legacy carrier (that are getting paid far more than us I’ll add) don’t have a great QOL too. In fact, friends all over the industry have it much better than us in many different QOL categories. I’ll list them if someone wants to dispute it.
Think about this- a 5 year Spirit captain is getting paid $53 less per hour than a United 5 year airbus captain. At our min reserve guarantee of 72 hours (which is also below industry average) is $3,816 per month and nearly $46,000 per year. You like to work a little extra and credit 85 hours per month? That’s now a pay difference of $4,505 per month and $54,000 per year. Are you really willing to die on the “we have the best QOL in the industry” hill with the rest of the cheerleaders at this cost?
We have the lowest CASM of any airline running the 320s and Spirit loves to brag about it during their investor calls. Management wants to grow us to 300 airplanes and 5,000 pilots by 2027, and bigger beyond that. Put on your big boy pants and demand industry standard pay when negation season comes around. Wouldn’t you rather brag about our great QOL and pay while your sitting in United’s jump seat?
Think about this- a 5 year Spirit captain is getting paid $53 less per hour than a United 5 year airbus captain. At our min reserve guarantee of 72 hours (which is also below industry average) is $3,816 per month and nearly $46,000 per year. You like to work a little extra and credit 85 hours per month? That’s now a pay difference of $4,505 per month and $54,000 per year. Are you really willing to die on the “we have the best QOL in the industry” hill with the rest of the cheerleaders at this cost?
We have the lowest CASM of any airline running the 320s and Spirit loves to brag about it during their investor calls. Management wants to grow us to 300 airplanes and 5,000 pilots by 2027, and bigger beyond that. Put on your big boy pants and demand industry standard pay when negation season comes around. Wouldn’t you rather brag about our great QOL and pay while your sitting in United’s jump seat?
The way I see it, take UPS for instance. Read the book Big Brown (almost required if you apply) and they talk about how no-frills the entire operation is. So they say “Here’s industry leading pay and benefits, now don’t cry if the equipment isn’t shiny new, if you have to commute to Alaska, if you fly all night, if we stick you in a marginal tier hotel, etc.”
So if we want to hang our hat on being the “We make less, but sooo much QOL” airline, then we better have unparalleled quality of life. Whatever the ULCC equivalent of flying a 777 twice a month to Paris and still beating guarantee is. The kind of life that a pilot will trade a million or two dollars over the course of a career to have.
Anything less than that and we are just a bargain.
07-18-2021 | 04:07 PM
#256
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Sure thing big dog, maybe this time the pilot group will show up with a pair to actually fight for everything you mentioned. Seems I remember very little engagement last go around during negotiations; unless the Union is buying free pizza and beers. Guys tripping over themselves to pick up open time, we got sued when pilots called them out.
Just like last go around I keep hearing how we need this and that, but nobody doesn’t anything but type on a forum and expect it to be handed to them.
As soon as I see 100% engagement from this group,
including picketing events and all pilot calls, I’ll be right back in. But fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice…
Do you realize how insane it is that pilots had to seek “vigilante justice” on guys because we had pilots who were so self absorbed, they only cared about themselves?
I’ll be back walking in circles once I see it isn’t just me and the same 20 guys like last time at the events I attended
Just like last go around I keep hearing how we need this and that, but nobody doesn’t anything but type on a forum and expect it to be handed to them.
As soon as I see 100% engagement from this group,
including picketing events and all pilot calls, I’ll be right back in. But fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice…
Do you realize how insane it is that pilots had to seek “vigilante justice” on guys because we had pilots who were so self absorbed, they only cared about themselves?
I’ll be back walking in circles once I see it isn’t just me and the same 20 guys like last time at the events I attended
07-18-2021 | 04:07 PM
#257
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Will Spirit be able to maintain low ticket prices when more people are staying for a career rather than using it as a stepping stone (with all the associated increased employee costs), then throwing the desired legacy pay rates on top of that?
07-18-2021 | 04:15 PM
#258
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earnings next week - let’s see what happens. Southwest was offering “ding fares” in 2004 for 9 bucks with a junior group. Now they are senior and ticket fares there are fair market value. I see spirit following suit. Unless we remain at the lowest pay….which will probably happen. Regional v2.0
Last edited by DrDHD; 07-18-2021 at 04:32 PM.
07-18-2021 | 04:55 PM
#260
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Edit: I just looked at the 2019 financial report and it shows the CASM is 7.93 and all (not just pilot) salaries and wages only come out to 2.07, or just over a quarter of the expenses.
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