Originally Posted by JulesWinfield

Yeah, but they aren’t a legacy. Frontier and Spirit offer a crappy product, but we know what we are and do it well. JB doesn’t seem to have an identity and I don’t really see a future in their model, but I haven’t done a lot of research. It seems like this deal is a Hail Mary to try to stay relevant. I like my chances at a mega ULCC over an almost legacy with an identity crisis.

Originally Posted by WNeast

Well not to put another wrench in the plans apparently AS is going to offer cash to B6 to buy them according to someone in the know on the AS thread.

Originally Posted by Popeye0537

Wow, someone really drinking the blue koolaid!. B6 is a rudderless ship, you guys don't know if you want to be a legacy carrier or what you originally started life as a LCC. Multiple fleet types??.. you have a regional airliner that is too costly to maintain and recently chose another bigger regional jet. Trans Atlantic routes, the 1 route you currently have? Slots in really expensive airports....lololol. ok. How about those limited slots we have in Newark? This is a win for B6 mostly. They gain 3000 pilots, 190 aircraft kill a competitor and a route network that makes money. This is a loss for junior NK pilots because of the stagnation at B6 and possibly, I said possibly west coast guys for this being a New York airline.

Originally Posted by afterburn81

I guess I just don’t quite understand how JB acquiring NK is good for anyone but those currently employed by JB. The 2 companies have completely different reasons for their success.

I came to NK because it was one of the few airlines that was organically growing. Expanding into new routes and adding new equipment to their system. The only reason for this growth is because of the unique business model and cost structure due to the incredibly efficient operation comparatively.

JB, with respect to organic growth, is very stagnant compared to NK. If JB acquires NK and turns us into the JB model, it will most certainly kill any of the projected future growth those of us at NK have been banking on. All of which is solely predicated on the growing ULCC model. Which NK has figured out how to execute very well.

Nothing personal towards B6 but man. This whole thing is a serious buzz kill for anyone looking forward to seeing new (additional to the fleet) aircraft and growing with the operation.

Originally Posted by dualinput

This thread reads like a bunch of kids that have been in the airlines for five minutes. Nothing to even speculate on until a deal is done or not. And we get zero say who it is. Just go along for the ride.

Then and only then will it matter to us. The JCBA is all that matters first and which we will all have a say. The seniority list integration comes next and we have little say. An arbitrator will decide. One thing is for certain is there has never been a better time to negotiate an industry leading JCBA. Record attrition and a merger that requires a combined pilot group to achieve the synergies and growth at least two management groups have pitched to their shareholders.

Originally Posted by Bravo3

This is a rare win/win situation for F9. I’m hoping that NK takes the offer from B6. No SLI to deal with, we get to grow organically and rapidly which will help with pilot hiring and retention and our growth plans. And our only serious competitor is killed off leaving F9 to be where NK is now in 3-5 years. F9 will be the dominate ULCC in the US and once the post-pandemic wrinkles are ironed out there will be a huge gain in market share. NK’s displaced passengers will be looking for the lowest price and choose F9 over B6.

Originally Posted by Popeye0537

Wow, someone really drinking the blue koolaid!. B6 is a rudderless ship, you guys don't know if you want to be a legacy carrier or what you originally started life as a LCC. Multiple fleet types??.. you have a regional airliner that is too costly to maintain and recently chose another bigger regional jet. Trans Atlantic routes, the 1 route you currently have? Slots in really expensive airports....lololol. ok. How about those limited slots we have in Newark? This is a win for B6 mostly. They gain 3000 pilots, 190 aircraft kill a competitor and a route network that makes money. This is a loss for junior NK pilots because of the stagnation at B6 and possibly, I said possibly west coast guys for this being a New York airline.

Originally Posted by NKSpilot

I hope the JB deal goes through.

A lot of us have been brainwashed by ULCC.

Not everyone wants to eat McDonalds. Cost isn't everything despite what we've been told.