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12-30-2022 | 08:13 PM
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If first year pay was what they are so desperate to change (the so-called leverage) then why didn't they raise first year right away on this TA? I think they are going more for retention than attracting.
12-30-2022 | 08:33 PM
#22
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Company is so concerned about first year pay that they did NOT flat increase it in this TA when they could, union wanted to. They also didn’t move training pay much at all
Doesn’t seem like they are half as concerned as some pilots are.
Bank the money, move on to the next fight
12-30-2022 | 09:09 PM
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Vote how you want to, and what is best for you. But FFS stop talking about tomorrow's fight. Health insurance during training, training pay, first year pay and slope are fights we have lost for over a decade. I might vote yes, because I am not sure if we can do better. That doesn't make all the other issues tomorrow's fight. It means I will take my gains over other people's loss.
12-30-2022 | 09:49 PM
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Vote how you want to, and what is best for you. But FFS stop talking about tomorrow's fight. Health insurance during training, training pay, first year pay and slope are fights we have lost for over a decade. I might vote yes, because I am not sure if we can do better. That doesn't make all the other issues tomorrow's fight. It means I will take my gains over other people's loss.
Sorry but as much as I want more money for newhires, the company doesn’t even want to pay more, and they are the ones supposed to be “begging” for pilots, and last I checked, attracting pilots is still their problem
12-30-2022 | 10:18 PM
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Fight tomorrows fight as in we have multiple rounds of negotiations still to go, either with JBLU, NK, or maybe F9 and/or a combination of those. Guys acting like this is the vote to take a stand on, a 2 year contract, nope. Exactly why I’m taking the money now, free cash, and realizing the big items to actually “fight” are to come in the next steps.
Sorry but as much as I want more money for newhires, the company doesn’t even want to pay more, and they are the ones supposed to be “begging” for pilots, and last I checked, attracting pilots is still their problem
Sorry but as much as I want more money for newhires, the company doesn’t even want to pay more, and they are the ones supposed to be “begging” for pilots, and last I checked, attracting pilots is still their problem
But they agreed to pay us more. And not out of the kindness of their hearts. They calculate how much they need to offer to get 51%. And in the last contract they ended up over paying, as it was over 70% voted yes. How that money is spread around is up to us. Calling training pay tomorrow’s fight is disingenuous at best. Yes, we can take that money now, but we didn’t take a stand last time, and not doing it now, so probably won’t happen next time.
12-31-2022 | 05:19 AM
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“the company doesn’t even want to pay more “
But they agreed to pay us more. And not out of the kindness of their hearts. They calculate how much they need to offer to get 51%. And in the last contract they ended up over paying, as it was over 70% voted yes. How that money is spread around is up to us. Calling training pay tomorrow’s fight is disingenuous at best. Yes, we can take that money now, but we didn’t take a stand last time, and not doing it now, so probably won’t happen next time.
But they agreed to pay us more. And not out of the kindness of their hearts. They calculate how much they need to offer to get 51%. And in the last contract they ended up over paying, as it was over 70% voted yes. How that money is spread around is up to us. Calling training pay tomorrow’s fight is disingenuous at best. Yes, we can take that money now, but we didn’t take a stand last time, and not doing it now, so probably won’t happen next time.
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12-31-2022 | 05:45 AM
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12-31-2022 | 06:18 AM
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Maybe I’m misunderstanding what you’re saying, but doesn’t the table show $93 and some change for first year pay? I know training pay was a joke of an increase, but looks like first year was adjusted relatively well.
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