Attrition significantly increasing
01-10-2025 | 05:15 PM
#121
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I have yet to find someone hired in the last couple of years trading from 4, 4 days into all day trips/2 day trips. sure you can pick up day trips but to be able to have it as a set monthly schedule is just not a true statement.
I don't want to do turns out of JFK or EWR and commute in. I would love to see somone prove me wrong in bases like ATL 320 @DL or AA 320 in PHX. like c'mon bro you know that's not true.
last point, what people are getting now will be different then 1.5 years from now. Getting hired at UA in 2022 is vastly different then somone getting hired in 2025. Just because YOU can hold it, does not mean somone getting hired today will have the same trojectory.
I don't want to do turns out of JFK or EWR and commute in. I would love to see somone prove me wrong in bases like ATL 320 @DL or AA 320 in PHX. like c'mon bro you know that's not true.
last point, what people are getting now will be different then 1.5 years from now. Getting hired at UA in 2022 is vastly different then somone getting hired in 2025. Just because YOU can hold it, does not mean somone getting hired today will have the same trojectory.
And what the guy gets now at 90% or whatever isn't gonna change much in 1.5 years. Not even sure what that comment means - what people are getting will be different in 1.5 years..? Has relative seniority risen faster for the '22 guy than it will for the '25 guy - for sure. But what you get at that seniority isn't changing much (barring massive events).
01-10-2025 | 05:24 PM
#122
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I have yet to find someone hired in the last couple of years trading from 4, 4 days into all day trips/2 day trips. sure you can pick up day trips but to be able to have it as a set monthly schedule is just not a true statement.
I don't want to do turns out of JFK or EWR and commute in. I would love to see somone prove me wrong in bases like ATL 320 @DL or AA 320 in PHX. like c'mon bro you know that's not true.
last point, what people are getting now will be different then 1.5 years from now. Getting hired at UA in 2022 is vastly different then somone getting hired in 2025. Just because YOU can hold it, does not mean somone getting hired today will have the same trojectory.
I don't want to do turns out of JFK or EWR and commute in. I would love to see somone prove me wrong in bases like ATL 320 @DL or AA 320 in PHX. like c'mon bro you know that's not true.
last point, what people are getting now will be different then 1.5 years from now. Getting hired at UA in 2022 is vastly different then somone getting hired in 2025. Just because YOU can hold it, does not mean somone getting hired today will have the same trojectory.
again, point is, theres a lot of ways to make starting over and being Junior not so bad via the CBA, you may have it at Frontier, Im not sure…..
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01-10-2025 | 06:28 PM
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I didn’t mean to make it seem like you can trade everything into day trips. Point is, you can manipulate your schedule, with some work, and yes I’m fully aware of what Seniority is. Anyone on this board knows what hiring cycles are like and what it means to get hired at the beginning vs the end
again, point is, theres a lot of ways to make starting over and being Junior not so bad via the CBA, you may have it at Frontier, Im not sure…..
again, point is, theres a lot of ways to make starting over and being Junior not so bad via the CBA, you may have it at Frontier, Im not sure…..
Not trying to be a D****, sorry if it came off that way, truly.
Everyone has personal preferences, but for me I like my consitency with my family and being able to drop off my kids at school or pick them up everyday. Doing high credit day trips 12 days a month is unbeaten in my book. I go to the same gym daily, and have routines that make me feel like a normal person. I even coach on my childs baseball team and can make it to every game. These are things that a normal airline life could never give to me.
I know i'm giving up tons of money for not leaving to legacies, but in the end of the day I make great money and am love just flying 24 legs in a month.
Like I said, sorry for coming off the wrong way. I was busy and sent it off before reading my response
01-10-2025 | 08:58 PM
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lmao! I worked at Allegiant for 2 years prior to my time at NK. Day trips suck ass and are extremely over rated. To each their own.
It was always amazing to me how many guys I flew with that lived a solid 30-45 mins or even more from the airport. 1.5 hours a day in their cars. Never mind the extra time and BS to get from the $hitty employee lot to the terminal then trek it all the way to the gate and back when your done.
Day trips sound great on paper. I get it. But the reality is, unless you have super easy premo trips and live 5-10 mins from the airport, it really isn’t. It’s a glorified “overnight” at home.
If you think having 18-19 off a month, but having to work a few 4 days a month sucks for me, I don’t know what to tell you lol. My QOL is exponentially improved verses “bEiNg hOmE EvErYnIgHt” 🤷🏻♂️
It was always amazing to me how many guys I flew with that lived a solid 30-45 mins or even more from the airport. 1.5 hours a day in their cars. Never mind the extra time and BS to get from the $hitty employee lot to the terminal then trek it all the way to the gate and back when your done.
Day trips sound great on paper. I get it. But the reality is, unless you have super easy premo trips and live 5-10 mins from the airport, it really isn’t. It’s a glorified “overnight” at home.
If you think having 18-19 off a month, but having to work a few 4 days a month sucks for me, I don’t know what to tell you lol. My QOL is exponentially improved verses “bEiNg hOmE EvErYnIgHt” 🤷🏻♂️
2. How long do you ride to and from a hotel?
3. Being at hotel you can’t do normal family things at home. If you’re a lonely bachelor that just GTLs everyday I guess that’s fine but some of us like to take our kids to school or be home at dinner time or coach a sport.
01-10-2025 | 09:41 PM
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How many times can you do a layover before you’ve seen it? Twice? Five times? Now what for the rest of your career? And if you think those senior widebody pilots are bidding it for the layovers I’d say you’re mistaken. Some domiciles might only have a couple destinations on a given fleet so you just end up doing the same thing over and over again.
So while you’re enjoying that new restaurant in Billings in January, the dishwasher or washing machine just broke at home. Sure would be nice to be home and handle that for your lady. Don’t worry you’ll be able to post to your Instagram about that sweet poutine you got in Edmonton. F that! I’m never going back to that without a fight.
01-11-2025 | 05:43 AM
#128
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Just for the record the 2 year upgrades are gone right now at the Legacies. They are steadily increasing, I believe we already saw our min upgrade times at all three that we will see in a long time. Some people at Delta are talking about 7 to 10 year upgrade times coming back soon due to all the young people they have hired in the last decade.
01-11-2025 | 06:18 AM
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Day trips suck in many ways.
1. I joined this line of work to see new cities and places, AWAY from the airport. See some local sights, try a new restaurant. Not the food court of an airport, haul ass to the gate, and depart again. "Chick Fil A is near our gate, haul ass bro, I got the preflight"
2. Driving on a daily basis to/from the airport turns it into a 9 to 5 job. traffic, commute, park the car, unpark the car, shuttle van, gas, etc.
3. Four of five back to back one day trips is arguably "more labor intensive" than just a regular four day. Hop in the plane, come back 4 days later, done.
etc etc
I think 3 days are perfect, especially if you leave late on Day-1 (basically have all that morning and some of the after noon off). Those are really just 2.5 day trips
1. I joined this line of work to see new cities and places, AWAY from the airport. See some local sights, try a new restaurant. Not the food court of an airport, haul ass to the gate, and depart again. "Chick Fil A is near our gate, haul ass bro, I got the preflight"
2. Driving on a daily basis to/from the airport turns it into a 9 to 5 job. traffic, commute, park the car, unpark the car, shuttle van, gas, etc.
3. Four of five back to back one day trips is arguably "more labor intensive" than just a regular four day. Hop in the plane, come back 4 days later, done.
etc etc
I think 3 days are perfect, especially if you leave late on Day-1 (basically have all that morning and some of the after noon off). Those are really just 2.5 day trips
01-11-2025 | 06:49 AM
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They're happy to see me when I get home, so there's that.
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