Attrition significantly increasing
01-11-2025 | 04:31 PM
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just to be clear, the only things NKs CBA has that is better than any other airline is Red/Green and ability to drop most everything. The downside of that is Junior guys got absolutely fisted because of it. 4 days off was nice but most everyone waived it.
If They can hold on to Red/Green as it stands today, in a merger with F9, that would be awesome.
one other thing, Spirits Healthcare is better than UALs (at least for me and my family and where we live) and I believe better than Dals & AAs…….
(not LTD etc but just straight up healthcare)
If They can hold on to Red/Green as it stands today, in a merger with F9, that would be awesome.
one other thing, Spirits Healthcare is better than UALs (at least for me and my family and where we live) and I believe better than Dals & AAs…….
(not LTD etc but just straight up healthcare)
Curious on the min 4 days off between assignments. And additional pay for FDP extensions. X / Y list can be pretty advantageous too. VFX/VFL is mad handy through out the year. Wish there was some kind of way to compare work rules.
01-11-2025 | 04:46 PM
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Not all, but some. The nature of widebody flying is such that you won’t typically be staying in places like Billings. You’ll be in Haneda, Paris, Johannesburg etc.
You’ll be in large cities with rich cultural histories and lots of things to do 24/7. That’s not to say Munich is fresh and exciting every time, but you can’t really compare a domestic two day with a Tampa layover to a widebody trip to Berlin.
So yes, people do bid for layovers. When you’ve got 5 days to relax down-route, wives and girlfriends can come along for the holiday.
Don’t get me wrong, I enjoyed my domestic layovers a ton (TPA, SAN, ORD are great cities), but international flying is a different vibe.
You’ll be in large cities with rich cultural histories and lots of things to do 24/7. That’s not to say Munich is fresh and exciting every time, but you can’t really compare a domestic two day with a Tampa layover to a widebody trip to Berlin.
So yes, people do bid for layovers. When you’ve got 5 days to relax down-route, wives and girlfriends can come along for the holiday.
Don’t get me wrong, I enjoyed my domestic layovers a ton (TPA, SAN, ORD are great cities), but international flying is a different vibe.
01-11-2025 | 05:35 PM
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Agreed cactusmike
My airline has former NK guys. All great guys. The one thing I’ve constantly heard is that they were surprised at how good the QOL is. For sure, it’s not as good as the contract at NK, but it’s not as bad as they thought it’d be.
My goal in posting here is not to kick the NK pilots while they’re down. It’s to let the ones on the fence know that they may be working with some inaccurate information.
My airline has former NK guys. All great guys. The one thing I’ve constantly heard is that they were surprised at how good the QOL is. For sure, it’s not as good as the contract at NK, but it’s not as bad as they thought it’d be.
My goal in posting here is not to kick the NK pilots while they’re down. It’s to let the ones on the fence know that they may be working with some inaccurate information.
If Spirit goes under the point is moot. Those sacrifices MUST be made. If there is even a small percentage of a chance Spriit survives, the choice whether or not to toss it all, and try to attain some semblance of what you had over what may not be an insignificant period of time, becomes much more difficult. So saying just go to a legacy and it will be better doesn’t always hold water. I just will not go back to working 4+ day trips over the weekends for a ton less money unless I absolutely have to. Write me a LOR when the time comes please.
01-11-2025 | 06:05 PM
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I don’t think anyone is disputing that you can have great QOL at a legacy and probably better than Spirit. It takes seniority just like anywhere. If you are at the top of Spirit, older than 40, and a CA you will never attain that QOL and earnings ever again. With some time you can have one but not both. The amount of time it will take to get one back is anyone’s guess. There are major family sacrifices to be made in that case that can alter one’s entire life.
If Spirit goes under the point is moot. Those sacrifices MUST be made. If there is even a small percentage of a chance Spriit survives, the choice whether or not to toss it all, and try to attain some semblance of what you had over what may not be an insignificant period of time, becomes much more difficult. So saying just go to a legacy and it will be better doesn’t always hold water. I just will not go back to working 4+ day trips over the weekends for a ton less money unless I absolutely have to. Write me a LOR when the time comes please.
If Spirit goes under the point is moot. Those sacrifices MUST be made. If there is even a small percentage of a chance Spriit survives, the choice whether or not to toss it all, and try to attain some semblance of what you had over what may not be an insignificant period of time, becomes much more difficult. So saying just go to a legacy and it will be better doesn’t always hold water. I just will not go back to working 4+ day trips over the weekends for a ton less money unless I absolutely have to. Write me a LOR when the time comes please.
01-11-2025 | 06:54 PM
#147
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@noisecanceller @sioux8ships
I hear what you're saying. It's never easy to decide to start over. I didn't mean to come across as saying "just give up 15 years at NK". If it's smarter for you to stay, I'll pray for that hail mary with you. The QOL vs money argument is of course a valid concern. I'll write the LOR, but hope you never need it. All the best!
I hear what you're saying. It's never easy to decide to start over. I didn't mean to come across as saying "just give up 15 years at NK". If it's smarter for you to stay, I'll pray for that hail mary with you. The QOL vs money argument is of course a valid concern. I'll write the LOR, but hope you never need it. All the best!
01-11-2025 | 09:35 PM
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I don’t think anyone is disputing that you can have great QOL at a legacy and probably better than Spirit. It takes seniority just like anywhere. If you are at the top of Spirit, older than 40, and a CA you will never attain that QOL and earnings ever again. With some time you can have one but not both. The amount of time it will take to get one back is anyone’s guess. There are major family sacrifices to be made in that case that can alter one’s entire life.
If Spirit goes under the point is moot. Those sacrifices MUST be made. If there is even a small percentage of a chance Spriit survives, the choice whether or not to toss it all, and try to attain some semblance of what you had over what may not be an insignificant period of time, becomes much more difficult. So saying just go to a legacy and it will be better doesn’t always hold water. I just will not go back to working 4+ day trips over the weekends for a ton less money unless I absolutely have to. Write me a LOR when the time comes please.
If Spirit goes under the point is moot. Those sacrifices MUST be made. If there is even a small percentage of a chance Spriit survives, the choice whether or not to toss it all, and try to attain some semblance of what you had over what may not be an insignificant period of time, becomes much more difficult. So saying just go to a legacy and it will be better doesn’t always hold water. I just will not go back to working 4+ day trips over the weekends for a ton less money unless I absolutely have to. Write me a LOR when the time comes please.
Getting the days you need off isn’t difficult either, just have to know how to bid and then trade with regards to timing in the month. Works 8/10 times.
My first month on reserve in the summer I was already holding weekends off at 93% (I don’t know how either) and similar schedules until I held a line. After holding a line, I was able to get at least 1-2 weekends off a month with decent trips.
Junior plane in a junior base with a huge pilot group that all want something different makes QOL attainable. Even on reserve where there’s 3 reserve types and everyone is LC at 18 hours (with the exception of the assignment window.. then it’s 14 hours).
Starting here today and being 40+, you cans hold mostly what you want on the CA side after 5-7ish years (this is a changing variable as BA still has hundreds of MAXs to deliver to us).
This is not to kick yall while you’re down, but to show that this is not far out of reach for the demographic you listed. Of course, sacrifices will have to be made in the interim, but you’d come out ahead in the long run.
All that said, I really hoping yall come out ahead. NK is a decent place with awesome people. Hoping it works out for yall
01-12-2025 | 06:18 AM
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You have been through this once and blessed with Ted at the helm again. Think about what you said. We are about the same age, its now or never brother.
01-12-2025 | 06:41 AM
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I hear what you're saying. It's never easy to decide to start over. I didn't mean to come across as saying "just give up 15 years at NK". If it's smarter for you to stay, I'll pray for that hail mary with you. The QOL vs money argument is of course a valid concern. I'll write the LOR, but hope you never need it. All the best!
I hear what you're saying. It's never easy to decide to start over. I didn't mean to come across as saying "just give up 15 years at NK". If it's smarter for you to stay, I'll pray for that hail mary with you. The QOL vs money argument is of course a valid concern. I'll write the LOR, but hope you never need it. All the best!
Im at 14 yr guy and yes it was the hardest decision in my career. Love it here at NK, Great coworkers and don't want to leave but as I mention before, been through this once with Ted mirroring his game. I have made peace with everything. The possibilities of concessions , uncertainties, Incompetance management, Alpa leadership and other negative futures outlook, I just dont have it anymore for the upcoming fight. Tired of chasing conracts and everything tied up to ch11 and managments game. Im early 40's so its now or never. I know im going to get some slack from the Nk cheerleaders. Im ready for the new chapter and I hope my situation help those who are on the same boat. I truly wish everyone at NK the best of luck.
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