Attrition significantly increasing
01-28-2025 | 12:31 PM
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No offense but that cannot be said with any amount of certainty.
Management was in an unprecedented hard spot and our MEC folded too early. It was arguably the best bargaining environment that many of us will see throughout our careers, and we blew our wad way too soon just like Jim in American Pie.
Management was in an unprecedented hard spot and our MEC folded too early. It was arguably the best bargaining environment that many of us will see throughout our careers, and we blew our wad way too soon just like Jim in American Pie.
I’m not certain of anything. But looking honestly at the whole situation. Spirit’s financial position. P&W Eng issues. Frontier’s ability to keep their rates and still grow. Historical bargaining environment is one piece of a multitude of factors.
who knows, it’s not a given that we wouldn’t have gotten anything better, I would say it seem more unlikely to think we would have gotten closer to Delta or United though.
The ability to compromise and not see everything as either right or wrong with no middle ground is a lost quality. What we got was better, but not great, but still better.
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01-28-2025 | 12:55 PM
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No offense but that cannot be said with any amount of certainty.
Management was in an unprecedented hard spot and our MEC folded too early. It was arguably the best bargaining environment that many of us will see throughout our careers, and we blew our wad way too soon just like Jim in American Pie.
Management was in an unprecedented hard spot and our MEC folded too early. It was arguably the best bargaining environment that many of us will see throughout our careers, and we blew our wad way too soon just like Jim in American Pie.
No winning with these ALPA cheerleaders. Don't even try.
01-28-2025 | 12:59 PM
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What are you trying to win? At complaining that you’re mad at something that happened 2 years ago. You need people to see that you were right? Is that what you’re trying to win at. Winning at complaining is losing. Losing at complaining and realizing that complaining is a loser’s game is winning.
01-28-2025 | 01:06 PM
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What are you trying to win? At complaining that you’re mad at something that happened 2 years ago. You need people to see that you were right? Is that what you’re trying to win at. Winning at complaining is losing. Losing at complaining and realizing that complaining is a loser’s game is winning.
01-28-2025 | 01:14 PM
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The biggest concession ever will be leaving the top of a lacking payscale to the bottom of a leading payscale. Ever done the real math on that? I’m sure you have. I’m not talking about the time to get back to where you were but actually make back what you are losing. It’s a very big number and a very long time
01-28-2025 | 01:18 PM
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I voted No. I was a No advocate at the time. I can vote no, and then realize that the TA passed was probably good. Two things can be true at once. Many things can be true at once. I can dislike ALPA, Vote No, and still realize that the advice given at the time might have been valid.
You can also be annoyed at me, decide it’s easier to label me as an ALPA Cheerleader and still reflect later and find value in this conversation.
Complain less, Judge less, listen more, observe more
01-28-2025 | 01:40 PM
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The biggest concession ever will be leaving the top of a lacking payscale to the bottom of a leading payscale. Ever done the real math on that? I’m sure you have. I’m not talking about the time to get back to where you were but actually make back what you are losing. It’s a very big number and a very long time
01-28-2025 | 01:47 PM
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I had enough with everything from managment..alpa and the pilot group. To some, its not all about the money. 14 years here and the highest every credit was 112 ( by accident), maybe 6 JRMs total and an average of 60hrs a month. All the best for you and everyone else, youll need it.
01-28-2025 | 02:01 PM
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no hard feeling my boy and thanks . Wasn’t easy to just leave as I’m still ****ed off that I’m put in this position. Getting hit by ted twice is enough for me. Heading over to United .
01-28-2025 | 04:13 PM
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From: A320 For Your Health
The biggest concession ever will be leaving the top of a lacking payscale to the bottom of a leading payscale. Ever done the real math on that? I’m sure you have. I’m not talking about the time to get back to where you were but actually make back what you are losing. It’s a very big number and a very long time
min guarantee and a 3 year upgrade to a nb at legacies.
Reality is much faster to recoup. Year one is a hit. After year 1, it's nbd.
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