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06-03-2015 | 10:56 AM
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If 10% and qol concessions is in a quick TA they can shove it up their ass. However a 4 year negotiation and 70% raise is equally unacceptable. That is hundreds of thousands of dollars in lost income as well as lost seniority at another airline. I told them if a long drawn out negotiation is managements goal for us to get what we deserve then they (NC) need to just flat out tell the pilot group. It's just business so if that's managements plan, fine. But some of us are playing wait and see with this contract because we genuinely want to retire at spirit. If management isn't willing to agree to a career airline contract in short order we need to know so we can get while the getting is good.
06-03-2015 | 11:23 AM
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06-03-2015 | 11:37 AM
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At my age I probably have two contracts left in this business. With that being said, I'm building my "war chest" as we speak. Spirit is literally printing money and more will be printed as more planes are added to the connect the dots plan and more frequency. If an acceptable contract is not reached I will walk the picket line with my brothers and sisters. I've done it before at another carrier.
For those of you playing the "wait and see" game. The reality is there will not be an American, Delta or even United type of contract. Please don't pin your career hopes on that happening! If that's what you're expecting then you better get your applications out to those carriers and take the bird in the hand. Anyone can do the math and figure out for even someone in their 40s what their career progressions and earnings can total out to plus retirement.
Of course the real gamble will be when oil prices rise or if another terrorist attack happens. Because we all know the legacies hire until they furlough.
For those of you playing the "wait and see" game. The reality is there will not be an American, Delta or even United type of contract. Please don't pin your career hopes on that happening! If that's what you're expecting then you better get your applications out to those carriers and take the bird in the hand. Anyone can do the math and figure out for even someone in their 40s what their career progressions and earnings can total out to plus retirement.
Of course the real gamble will be when oil prices rise or if another terrorist attack happens. Because we all know the legacies hire until they furlough.
06-03-2015 | 11:55 AM
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You've met them? Nice, you want a cookie?
I've worked under their "If you don't vote for it, we're in no mans land and also we'll quit" contract for five years. Whether they are personally losers or not is not material. They are losers as far as their ability to negotiate and write blackandwhite language.
Morrison, you mentioned him by name, not me. Morrison was part of the DL LOA that snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. That's enough for me.
It's all matter of degree my friend, all a matter of degree.
Oh, one more thing. The DTW crowd was whining about the lack of Spirit longevity our new MEC Chairman possesses, but you guys are perfectly happy with the Morrison. Morrison has just marginally more Spirit longevity than the MEC Chairman. Hypocrites abound.
I've worked under their "If you don't vote for it, we're in no mans land and also we'll quit" contract for five years. Whether they are personally losers or not is not material. They are losers as far as their ability to negotiate and write blackandwhite language.
Morrison, you mentioned him by name, not me. Morrison was part of the DL LOA that snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. That's enough for me.
It's all matter of degree my friend, all a matter of degree.
Oh, one more thing. The DTW crowd was whining about the lack of Spirit longevity our new MEC Chairman possesses, but you guys are perfectly happy with the Morrison. Morrison has just marginally more Spirit longevity than the MEC Chairman. Hypocrites abound.
Comments like yours demonstrate the epitome' of the power of information control and its effect on sheep like masses....if one did a kindergartener's level of effort into educating one's verbal upheaval, one would find that no negotiator would have altered the course of Astar's/Dasburg's death on the vine. DHL steered the course of creating the ACMI landscape there, just as they have in Europe/Asia for their ENTIRE history. Easy to hang all one's own internal angst on some scapegoat and ease your pathology of emotional unintelligence...but seriously...one guy in a committee shutting down an airline? Jack and beanstalk? ...really dude?
06-03-2015 | 01:49 PM
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Newest A320 is here in Tampa, then the next A320 sharklet comes next week. Then starting one a month, the A321 sharklets start arriving per Bendo's podcast.
06-03-2015 | 05:25 PM
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We probably won't be released to strike anytime this century. For 1 we're bigger than in 2010 and for 2 we will probably have an anti union republican in office by the time we would get to that point
06-03-2015 | 06:00 PM
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For those of you playing the "wait and see" game. The reality is there will not be an American, Delta or even United type of contract. Please don't pin your career hopes on that happening! If that's what you're expecting then you better get your applications out to those carriers and take the bird in the hand. Anyone can do the math and figure out for even someone in their 40s what their career progressions and earnings can total out to plus retirement.
As far as I'm am concerned; ALPA should have this policy. If you fly an A320 then this is your pay scale period. If you fly a B757 then this is your pay scale period. I will look at Delta and United's ALPA negotiated pay when I vote.
06-03-2015 | 06:51 PM
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The only way that can happen is if we let the NC and company do it to us. Vote no and keep voting no until we get industry standard. Why would we agree to fly A320 aircraft for far less than other airlines represented by ALPA.
As far as I'm am concerned; ALPA should have this policy. If you fly an A320 then this is your pay scale period. If you fly a B757 then this is your pay scale period. I will look at Delta and United's ALPA negotiated pay when I vote.
As far as I'm am concerned; ALPA should have this policy. If you fly an A320 then this is your pay scale period. If you fly a B757 then this is your pay scale period. I will look at Delta and United's ALPA negotiated pay when I vote.
Industry standard or I vote NO. My time is worth just as much as a pilot flying A320s for DAL, UAL, and AA.
06-03-2015 | 07:24 PM
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Wait WHAT?...I thought that's what we WANTED, 99% of us talk REPUBLICAN in the cockpit, I'm confused, but when we want a release we want a democrat, we want union, we want collective, we want an ALPA or similar, I thought we were supposed to put everyone down, complain and say that we can do better if we were in control, after pizzing all over volunteers work, we just kill our own, we never learn.......crazy talk...!
06-03-2015 | 11:07 PM
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At my age I probably have two contracts left in this business. With that being said, I'm building my "war chest" as we speak. Spirit is literally printing money and more will be printed as more planes are added to the connect the dots plan and more frequency. If an acceptable contract is not reached I will walk the picket line with my brothers and sisters. I've done it before at another carrier.
For those of you playing the "wait and see" game. The reality is there will not be an American, Delta or even United type of contract. Please don't pin your career hopes on that happening! If that's what you're expecting then you better get your applications out to those carriers and take the bird in the hand. Anyone can do the math and figure out for even someone in their 40s what their career progressions and earnings can total out to plus retirement.
Of course the real gamble will be when oil prices rise or if another terrorist attack happens. Because we all know the legacies hire until they furlough.
For those of you playing the "wait and see" game. The reality is there will not be an American, Delta or even United type of contract. Please don't pin your career hopes on that happening! If that's what you're expecting then you better get your applications out to those carriers and take the bird in the hand. Anyone can do the math and figure out for even someone in their 40s what their career progressions and earnings can total out to plus retirement.
Of course the real gamble will be when oil prices rise or if another terrorist attack happens. Because we all know the legacies hire until they furlough.
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