American is not paying their pilots based on the amount that the 321s make for them, I'm sure their whole labor costs are spread across their whole fleet, which we don't have. I do think we should be paid as best as we can, but Remember pay rates aren't everything, but ours are woefully low.

 

Let's not make any assumptions. We lose all leverage when we do that. Its a negotiation.

 

This is exactly right. I agree our rates should be as high as possible too. However, you take any significant gain immediately versus some ridiculously protracted negotiation. To vote no because our rates aren't industry leading would be silly. Time-value-money! As long as we make significant gains across the board, that's a win for us.
Ask the legacy US Airways guys how well the stopping of their feet worked for them? They've left MILLIONS on the table over the years because they didn't get their way. Dougie Parker and his cronies laughed all the way to the country club with the pilot's money paying their memberships.

 

Well then why not tell your NC to offer same contract with inflation raises and get the company on board right away.
Like everything in life, there is rarely black and white but much grey area in between.

 

I've spoken to the NC about what I consider acceptable, have you? I completed the surveys and actually talked to some of the members as well.

 

I should think that would put us at somewhat of an advantage, if anything. Our management is not burdened with having to maintain all those various aircraft types and their related costs (training programs, parts inventories etc).

 

Rumor - ACY Flight Attendant shared with me all Open Time for ACY Flight Attendants 'disappeared' off FLICA. Stated all Open Time went to FLL. Bendo was spotted in Linda's office, ACY Crew Trailer. When Linda was asked why Bendo was there, she said, "There are changes coming."

UPDATE - From an ACY Flight Attendant, "Most OpenTime did disappear yesterday. But we have no coverage, and most days were negative numbers on the reserves. FLL had 200 reserves this month. I just checked and some trips are back in ACY OpenTime.
Linda stated we were getting a new crew room back in the terminal, and being moved out of the trailer."

 

Why talk to a negotiator? Talk to your Status Representative.

 

Wow, finally someone that gets it!

I ask all of you to talk to your AA, DAL, United new hire brethren and see how great life is. Pay rates can only get one so far. Yeah, you might win a D*#k measuring contest! but that's about it.

The avg airline pilot at above said airlines credits 1.3 hours to every 1.0 hour of block flown. We credit in the 1.8/1.9 hour to every 1.0 hour of block flown.

Don't get me wrong and say I'm pro management and what not. We deserve a hefty raise and it is coming, maybe not the 45% that you all think we should get right away... But more than that over a 5yr contract without losing our work rules. Rome wasn't built in a day and SWA didn't become the highest paid 737 drivers in one TA.

Before we start casting stones at the NC and MEC, let's see what they put on the table. Then vote on what you need. If the highest pay rates in the Universe is what you need, then vote based in that...

 

It would be nice to put money away for retirement above and beyond the 401K. With the current pay scale, in my situation, I am living pay check to pay check. Working for a major airline making huge profits; I would think I would be in a better financial situation.