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09-04-2012 | 04:55 PM
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Dup post......
09-04-2012 | 05:02 PM
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The questions we should be asking is why is the Guberment asking for this money for a system that is already standing up and operationally insignificant from a cost point of view? KCM help relieve already overly crowded passenger lines, helps crews swiftly through the checkpoints, and is a win win for everybody. So, if all airlines don't pay up, will they shut it down? Why charge for a database that airlines already pay for (CASS)? This is the government's poor attempt to pay for their bloated and overstaffed TSA agency. Thanks Nepolitano! ALPA national will be our only dog in this fight.
09-04-2012 | 05:14 PM
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We are damn lucky KCM is all we have to beeatch about. We could work at AA.
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09-05-2012 | 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by DN_Wisconson
Originally Posted by BoredwLife
I dont think anyone has avoided answering any questions anyone has asked.
Did you ask one that we somehow ignored?
Either ask another question or these guys will go on and on and on and on and on about the last point. Kind of like they way they talk about our current contract passing.
Did you ask one that we somehow ignored?
Either ask another question or these guys will go on and on and on and on and on about the last point. Kind of like they way they talk about our current contract passing.
Because giving up 150% open time gives all of the premium pay to those who live in base and who are willing to be crew schedulings bwitch.
In contract 2003, everyone had a shot at premium pay, with seniority determining priority. Now we have a free for all among only a certain few, with most of us locked out.
I won't argue the intent of the contract, but the result is definitely not "spreading the wealth". It amounted to nothing more than an unintended redistribution of the premium pay. .....and those of us with a life lost out.
Edit: posted here to keep hiring thread clean
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09-05-2012 | 08:01 AM
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I for one would like to see the 150 topic arise six times a day!
Because giving up 150% open time gives all of the premium pay to those who live in base and who are willing to be crew schedulings bwitch.
In contract 2003, everyone had a shot at premium pay, with seniority determining priority. Now we have a free for all among only a certain few, with most of us locked out.
I won't argue the intent of the contract, but the result is definitely not "spreading the wealth". It amounted to nothing more than an unintended redistribution of the premium pay. .....and those of us with a life lost out.
Edit: posted here to keep hiring thread clean
Because giving up 150% open time gives all of the premium pay to those who live in base and who are willing to be crew schedulings bwitch.
In contract 2003, everyone had a shot at premium pay, with seniority determining priority. Now we have a free for all among only a certain few, with most of us locked out.
I won't argue the intent of the contract, but the result is definitely not "spreading the wealth". It amounted to nothing more than an unintended redistribution of the premium pay. .....and those of us with a life lost out.
Edit: posted here to keep hiring thread clean
09-05-2012 | 08:21 AM
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I for one would like to see the 150 topic arise six times a day!
Because giving up 150% open time gives all of the premium pay to those who live in base and who are willing to be crew schedulings bwitch.
In contract 2003, everyone had a shot at premium pay, with seniority determining priority. Now we have a free for all among only a certain few, with most of us locked out.
I won't argue the intent of the contract, but the result is definitely not "spreading the wealth". It amounted to nothing more than an unintended redistribution of the premium pay. .....and those of us with a life lost out.
Edit: posted here to keep hiring thread clean
Because giving up 150% open time gives all of the premium pay to those who live in base and who are willing to be crew schedulings bwitch.
In contract 2003, everyone had a shot at premium pay, with seniority determining priority. Now we have a free for all among only a certain few, with most of us locked out.
I won't argue the intent of the contract, but the result is definitely not "spreading the wealth". It amounted to nothing more than an unintended redistribution of the premium pay. .....and those of us with a life lost out.
Edit: posted here to keep hiring thread clean
You made my point sky. I agree with you 150%(see what I did there
) but who cares anymore. It's gone. The group gave it away, they gave a lot away, we all know that. But it was voted in and thats how it works. Its been what 3 years, in the enlightened words of Rambo(from First Blood the only good one) "Let it go."
09-05-2012 | 08:43 AM
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I for one would like to see the 150 topic arise six times a day!
Because giving up 150% open time gives all of the premium pay to those who live in base and who are willing to be crew schedulings bwitch.
In contract 2003, everyone had a shot at premium pay, with seniority determining priority. Now we have a free for all among only a certain few, with most of us locked out.
I won't argue the intent of the contract, but the result is definitely not "spreading the wealth". It amounted to nothing more than an unintended redistribution of the premium pay. .....and those of us with a life lost out.
Edit: posted here to keep hiring thread clean
Because giving up 150% open time gives all of the premium pay to those who live in base and who are willing to be crew schedulings bwitch.
In contract 2003, everyone had a shot at premium pay, with seniority determining priority. Now we have a free for all among only a certain few, with most of us locked out.
I won't argue the intent of the contract, but the result is definitely not "spreading the wealth". It amounted to nothing more than an unintended redistribution of the premium pay. .....and those of us with a life lost out.
Edit: posted here to keep hiring thread clean
09-05-2012 | 09:23 AM
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Really!?!?!?! That's why you're upset?!?!?! Oh WOW I never would have known that. I don't think I have ever heard that before.
You made my point sky. I agree with you 150%(see what I did there) but who cares anymore. It's gone. The group gave it away, they gave a lot away, we all know that. But it was voted in and thats how it works. Its been what 3 years, in the enlightened words of Rambo(from First Blood the only good one) "Let it go."
You made my point sky. I agree with you 150%(see what I did there
) but who cares anymore. It's gone. The group gave it away, they gave a lot away, we all know that. But it was voted in and thats how it works. Its been what 3 years, in the enlightened words of Rambo(from First Blood the only good one) "Let it go."Those who forget history are doomed to forget it....or something like that.
Do you have a better understanding of where we are with overtime and premium pay? Was not the intent of giving up 150%OT to put more pay in ALL pockets? Did we accomplish that? Why are some still able to get paid well over average line value - within this contract - for flying 72 hours and some get paid 72 for flying 72? Was that the intent of the language? I don't think so! I think our negotiators were making an honest attempt to spread the pay out. Unfortunately, unintended consequences are allowing the disparities to continue while most are kept out of the game so to speak.
Let's keep up the discussions and prepare to fix it next time. Negotiations will be here before we know it.
09-05-2012 | 10:57 AM
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I didn't say I was upset. I said I'd like to see the topic discussed six times a day. This is after all an Internet discussion forum. DN_Wisconson brought it up, I'm discussing it. Why do you care?
Those who forget history are doomed to forget it....or something like that.
Do you have a better understanding of where we are with overtime and premium pay? Was not the intent of giving up 150%OT to put more pay in ALL pockets? Did we accomplish that? Why are some still able to get paid well over average line value - within this contract - for flying 72 hours and some get paid 72 for flying 72? Was that the intent of the language? I don't think so! I think our negotiators were making an honest attempt to spread the pay out. Unfortunately, unintended consequences are allowing the disparities to continue while most are kept out of the game so to speak.
Let's keep up the discussions and prepare to fix it next time. Negotiations will be here before we know it.
Those who forget history are doomed to forget it....or something like that.
Do you have a better understanding of where we are with overtime and premium pay? Was not the intent of giving up 150%OT to put more pay in ALL pockets? Did we accomplish that? Why are some still able to get paid well over average line value - within this contract - for flying 72 hours and some get paid 72 for flying 72? Was that the intent of the language? I don't think so! I think our negotiators were making an honest attempt to spread the pay out. Unfortunately, unintended consequences are allowing the disparities to continue while most are kept out of the game so to speak.
Let's keep up the discussions and prepare to fix it next time. Negotiations will be here before we know it.
The first new thing said in a millennia was just said by you. "Prepare to fix it next time" Everything prior was a playback of all we hear day in and day out, except you make a logical point unlike most who just scream socialism.
So whats the plan Sam? (Please without telling us again how giving up 150% was a failed maneuver by the union to equalize) That is a discussion I would like to hear.
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