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09-04-2012, 05:14 PM
#4521
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We are damn lucky KCM is all we have to beeatch about. We could work at AA.
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09-05-2012, 07:49 AM
#4522
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Originally Posted by DN_Wisconson
Originally Posted by BoredwLife
I dont think anyone has avoided answering any questions anyone has asked.
Did you ask one that we somehow ignored?
Either ask another question or these guys will go on and on and on and on and on about the last point. Kind of like they way they talk about our current contract passing.
Did you ask one that we somehow ignored?
Either ask another question or these guys will go on and on and on and on and on about the last point. Kind of like they way they talk about our current contract passing.
Because giving up 150% open time gives all of the premium pay to those who live in base and who are willing to be crew schedulings bwitch.
In contract 2003, everyone had a shot at premium pay, with seniority determining priority. Now we have a free for all among only a certain few, with most of us locked out.
I won't argue the intent of the contract, but the result is definitely not "spreading the wealth". It amounted to nothing more than an unintended redistribution of the premium pay. .....and those of us with a life lost out.
Edit: posted here to keep hiring thread clean
Last edited by skybolt; 09-05-2012 at 07:51 AM. Reason: Clarify posting location
09-05-2012, 08:01 AM
#4523
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Originally Posted by skybolt
I for one would like to see the 150 topic arise six times a day!
Because giving up 150% open time gives all of the premium pay to those who live in base and who are willing to be crew schedulings bwitch.
In contract 2003, everyone had a shot at premium pay, with seniority determining priority. Now we have a free for all among only a certain few, with most of us locked out.
I won't argue the intent of the contract, but the result is definitely not "spreading the wealth". It amounted to nothing more than an unintended redistribution of the premium pay. .....and those of us with a life lost out.
Edit: posted here to keep hiring thread clean
Because giving up 150% open time gives all of the premium pay to those who live in base and who are willing to be crew schedulings bwitch.
In contract 2003, everyone had a shot at premium pay, with seniority determining priority. Now we have a free for all among only a certain few, with most of us locked out.
I won't argue the intent of the contract, but the result is definitely not "spreading the wealth". It amounted to nothing more than an unintended redistribution of the premium pay. .....and those of us with a life lost out.
Edit: posted here to keep hiring thread clean
09-05-2012, 08:21 AM
#4524
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Joined APC: Jan 2007
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Originally Posted by skybolt
I for one would like to see the 150 topic arise six times a day!
Because giving up 150% open time gives all of the premium pay to those who live in base and who are willing to be crew schedulings bwitch.
In contract 2003, everyone had a shot at premium pay, with seniority determining priority. Now we have a free for all among only a certain few, with most of us locked out.
I won't argue the intent of the contract, but the result is definitely not "spreading the wealth". It amounted to nothing more than an unintended redistribution of the premium pay. .....and those of us with a life lost out.
Edit: posted here to keep hiring thread clean
Because giving up 150% open time gives all of the premium pay to those who live in base and who are willing to be crew schedulings bwitch.
In contract 2003, everyone had a shot at premium pay, with seniority determining priority. Now we have a free for all among only a certain few, with most of us locked out.
I won't argue the intent of the contract, but the result is definitely not "spreading the wealth". It amounted to nothing more than an unintended redistribution of the premium pay. .....and those of us with a life lost out.
Edit: posted here to keep hiring thread clean
You made my point sky. I agree with you 150%(see what I did there
) but who cares anymore. It's gone. The group gave it away, they gave a lot away, we all know that. But it was voted in and thats how it works. Its been what 3 years, in the enlightened words of Rambo(from First Blood the only good one) "Let it go."
09-05-2012, 08:43 AM
#4525
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Originally Posted by skybolt
I for one would like to see the 150 topic arise six times a day!
Because giving up 150% open time gives all of the premium pay to those who live in base and who are willing to be crew schedulings bwitch.
In contract 2003, everyone had a shot at premium pay, with seniority determining priority. Now we have a free for all among only a certain few, with most of us locked out.
I won't argue the intent of the contract, but the result is definitely not "spreading the wealth". It amounted to nothing more than an unintended redistribution of the premium pay. .....and those of us with a life lost out.
Edit: posted here to keep hiring thread clean
Because giving up 150% open time gives all of the premium pay to those who live in base and who are willing to be crew schedulings bwitch.
In contract 2003, everyone had a shot at premium pay, with seniority determining priority. Now we have a free for all among only a certain few, with most of us locked out.
I won't argue the intent of the contract, but the result is definitely not "spreading the wealth". It amounted to nothing more than an unintended redistribution of the premium pay. .....and those of us with a life lost out.
Edit: posted here to keep hiring thread clean
09-05-2012, 08:45 AM
#4526
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Originally Posted by Dilbert
It will take the same dedication from all of us as a group just like it happened last time. Premium pay will not return until everyone just flys their line and enjoys their time off for as long as it takes.
09-05-2012, 09:23 AM
#4527
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Originally Posted by BoredwLife
Really!?!?!?! That's why you're upset?!?!?! Oh WOW I never would have known that. I don't think I have ever heard that before.
You made my point sky. I agree with you 150%(see what I did there) but who cares anymore. It's gone. The group gave it away, they gave a lot away, we all know that. But it was voted in and thats how it works. Its been what 3 years, in the enlightened words of Rambo(from First Blood the only good one) "Let it go."
You made my point sky. I agree with you 150%(see what I did there
) but who cares anymore. It's gone. The group gave it away, they gave a lot away, we all know that. But it was voted in and thats how it works. Its been what 3 years, in the enlightened words of Rambo(from First Blood the only good one) "Let it go."Those who forget history are doomed to forget it....or something like that.
Do you have a better understanding of where we are with overtime and premium pay? Was not the intent of giving up 150%OT to put more pay in ALL pockets? Did we accomplish that? Why are some still able to get paid well over average line value - within this contract - for flying 72 hours and some get paid 72 for flying 72? Was that the intent of the language? I don't think so! I think our negotiators were making an honest attempt to spread the pay out. Unfortunately, unintended consequences are allowing the disparities to continue while most are kept out of the game so to speak.
Let's keep up the discussions and prepare to fix it next time. Negotiations will be here before we know it.
09-05-2012, 10:57 AM
#4528
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Originally Posted by skybolt
I didn't say I was upset. I said I'd like to see the topic discussed six times a day. This is after all an Internet discussion forum. DN_Wisconson brought it up, I'm discussing it. Why do you care?
Those who forget history are doomed to forget it....or something like that.
Do you have a better understanding of where we are with overtime and premium pay? Was not the intent of giving up 150%OT to put more pay in ALL pockets? Did we accomplish that? Why are some still able to get paid well over average line value - within this contract - for flying 72 hours and some get paid 72 for flying 72? Was that the intent of the language? I don't think so! I think our negotiators were making an honest attempt to spread the pay out. Unfortunately, unintended consequences are allowing the disparities to continue while most are kept out of the game so to speak.
Let's keep up the discussions and prepare to fix it next time. Negotiations will be here before we know it.
Those who forget history are doomed to forget it....or something like that.
Do you have a better understanding of where we are with overtime and premium pay? Was not the intent of giving up 150%OT to put more pay in ALL pockets? Did we accomplish that? Why are some still able to get paid well over average line value - within this contract - for flying 72 hours and some get paid 72 for flying 72? Was that the intent of the language? I don't think so! I think our negotiators were making an honest attempt to spread the pay out. Unfortunately, unintended consequences are allowing the disparities to continue while most are kept out of the game so to speak.
Let's keep up the discussions and prepare to fix it next time. Negotiations will be here before we know it.
The first new thing said in a millennia was just said by you. "Prepare to fix it next time" Everything prior was a playback of all we hear day in and day out, except you make a logical point unlike most who just scream socialism.
So whats the plan Sam? (Please without telling us again how giving up 150% was a failed maneuver by the union to equalize) That is a discussion I would like to hear.
09-05-2012, 11:04 AM
#4529
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Originally Posted by skybolt
Do you have a better understanding of where we are with overtime and premium pay?
I don't live in base, I don't live somewhere we fly to, and I hate working extra once I have days off. I have no idea where we are with it because it is not an option for me unless I want to spend extra time in South Florida. Thats my only understanding of it.
Also I apologize for saying you were upset.
Last edited by BoredwLife; 09-05-2012 at 11:06 AM. Reason: Added Apology
09-05-2012, 12:24 PM
#4530
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Originally Posted by BoredwLife
No not at all. I was furloughed before I even had the chance to try and figure out the system from the previous contract. And when I came back we had this contract in place. I have been JA'ed once in my time here, and only because they caught me for a 4 day JA as I was walking to the gate for my commute home.
I don't live in base, I don't live somewhere we fly to, and I hate working extra once I have days off. I have no idea where we are with it because it is not an option for me unless I want to spend extra time in South Florida. Thats my only understanding of it.
Also I apologize for saying you were upset.
I don't live in base, I don't live somewhere we fly to, and I hate working extra once I have days off. I have no idea where we are with it because it is not an option for me unless I want to spend extra time in South Florida. Thats my only understanding of it.
Also I apologize for saying you were upset.
Great point Bored- it may of may not work for you. We're all in a different place here when it comes to how much we want meow to work vs how much we need to work....
I'm counting the days I'll be off first year pay. Meow I knew before I accepted the job here there would be many challenges during the first year. Trying to support and raise a family on it is tough. I commute as well. I will not pick up OT 1$ for 1$ at the expense of missing watching my little ones grow.
If we all (everyone of us...74%er, 26%er, commuter, live in base people) said no for a month or so, maybe 150% would come back. Of course making consessions meow for it like dropping the 4 days off between pairings would not work for us commuters........ but then there's another issue- some people here wouldn't mind seeing us lose the 4 days off between pairings. Some folks wouldn't mind seeing us lose the transition language either- because they are not senior enough to make it work. Making everyone happy is impossible
I'm banking on the nude ghey art show I'm having to supplement my income for the next few months
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