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01-14-2015, 03:02 PM
#9521
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Originally Posted by DeadStick
FYI the AA JCBA proposed A320 CA top out is $235/hr.
Anyway, feel free to point to us, but really Delta is the gold standard.
01-14-2015, 03:49 PM
#9522
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
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Originally Posted by The Juice
B-all day. That retirement difference is worth possibly millions over the course of a career.
01-14-2015, 04:41 PM
#9523
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Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: Airplane
Posts: 2,385
Originally Posted by Frisco FO
To play devil's advocate, are you saying if you were a 15+ year Spirit captain you would accept a 9.7% raise (and future matching of Delta's pay raises), 6% extra retirement, about 8% profit sharing, and 5.5 hr daily guarantee in exchange for accepting pref bidding, eliminating transition conflicts, and giving away 4 days off?
01-14-2015, 05:00 PM
#9524
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Joined APC: Jan 2014
Position: A320 Left
Posts: 715
Originally Posted by Lobaeux
Um, yeah. I've talked to and flown with a few senior guys who are ready to accept PBS. They know they'll end up on the top side of PBS, and they realize that demographics have changed.
01-14-2015, 05:03 PM
#9525
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Position: Airplane
Posts: 2,385
Originally Posted by ManFlex
I'll vote no on any contract that implements PBS. I also remind the FOs I fly with that PBS would alter the manning equation significantly here: less hiring and less upgrades.
01-14-2015, 05:04 PM
#9526
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Position: A320 Left
Posts: 715
Originally Posted by gonyon
Correct. Plus delta is going into negotiations in 15 and will likely greatly improve upon the current rates
01-14-2015, 05:33 PM
#9527
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Joined APC: Nov 2006
Position: A320 Captain
Posts: 194
4 days off would not be a concern if we had Southwests 6.5 hr per (calender) day minimum (no trip average). trip and duty rigs are where we need major work! No more 5 and 6 day trips, 3-4 day trip max. 13 days on at 6.5 = 84.5 hrs pay Minimum.
01-14-2015, 06:08 PM
#9528
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Originally Posted by ManFlex
They'll improve, but I wouldn't say 'greatly'. The APA is going to come up short of Delta and I'd say United's agreement is slightly below Delta's. It's hard to make significant gains when you're already #1 and DALPA considers 'restoration' a dirty word.
Can't speak for the entire package but united's pay rates are higher than delta's which makes sense considering its a newer deal. If what is reflected in apc is the full maturation of delta pay then united's rates are significantly higher
01-14-2015, 06:11 PM
#9529
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Originally Posted by Kingjay
4 days off would not be a concern if we had Southwests 6.5 hr per (calender) day minimum (no trip average). trip and duty rigs are where we need major work! No more 5 and 6 day trips, 3-4 day trip max. 13 days on at 6.5 = 84.5 hrs pay Minimum.
Amen! 4 days away, my wife misses me, at five days she gets sad, at six she gets ****ed at me but at 7 nights away because of uncommutable ends of trips she wants to murder me!
01-14-2015, 06:15 PM
#9530
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Originally Posted by Lobaeux
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frisco FO
To play devil's advocate, are you saying if you were a 15+ year Spirit captain you would accept a 9.7% raise (and future matching of Delta's pay raises), 6% extra retirement, about 8% profit sharing, and 5.5 hr daily guarantee in exchange for accepting pref bidding, eliminating transition conflicts, and giving away 4 days off?
Um, yeah. I've talked to and flown with a few senior guys who are ready to accept PBS. They know they'll end up on the top side of PBS, and they realize that demographics have changed.
Originally Posted by Frisco FO
To play devil's advocate, are you saying if you were a 15+ year Spirit captain you would accept a 9.7% raise (and future matching of Delta's pay raises), 6% extra retirement, about 8% profit sharing, and 5.5 hr daily guarantee in exchange for accepting pref bidding, eliminating transition conflicts, and giving away 4 days off?
Um, yeah. I've talked to and flown with a few senior guys who are ready to accept PBS. They know they'll end up on the top side of PBS, and they realize that demographics have changed.
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