Spirit of NKS
01-14-2015 | 01:18 PM
#9521
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From: A-320
I honestly can't answer that, mostly because the top of the pay scales are pretty close, but to the 90% of us at Spirit who haven't been here 15 years, the numbers are not nearly as close and DAL F/O and junior Ca pay blows ours away.
I LOVE 4 Days off, but that's because ACY probably won't be around forever and if/when it closes that clause will probably save my sanity & marriage.
Look, I really love it here and I don't want to go to Delta, I really don't. I just want us to strive to get a lot closer to their total compensation. VX GUYS make more per hr than we do.
Lastly, that extra 7% is so friggin huge when it comes to retirement. That 7% compounded over a career is a lot, and I mean a lot of money.
I LOVE 4 Days off, but that's because ACY probably won't be around forever and if/when it closes that clause will probably save my sanity & marriage.
Look, I really love it here and I don't want to go to Delta, I really don't. I just want us to strive to get a lot closer to their total compensation. VX GUYS make more per hr than we do.
Lastly, that extra 7% is so friggin huge when it comes to retirement. That 7% compounded over a career is a lot, and I mean a lot of money.
Last edited by JoeyMeatballs; 01-14-2015 at 01:30 PM.
01-14-2015 | 01:59 PM
#9522
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Joined: Apr 2007
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From: A319, A320, A321
If you were a 15 year Spirit captain would you rather:
A. Spirit's A320 pay of $185/hr with 9% retirement match, no profit sharing, 4 days off between trips, line bidding, transition conflicts.
or
B. Delta's A320 pay of $203/hr with 15% retirement, about 8% profit sharing, no guarantee of 4 days off, Pref Bidding, and no transition conflicts.
Honest question.
A. Spirit's A320 pay of $185/hr with 9% retirement match, no profit sharing, 4 days off between trips, line bidding, transition conflicts.
or
B. Delta's A320 pay of $203/hr with 15% retirement, about 8% profit sharing, no guarantee of 4 days off, Pref Bidding, and no transition conflicts.
Honest question.
Delta all day...
01-14-2015 | 02:02 PM
#9523
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I don't think we are entitled to ask for the same pay rates as DAL but there is a LOT of margin before we even get close to them.
So I want the good with the good.
01-14-2015 | 02:15 PM
#9524
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Correct. Plus delta is going into negotiations in 15 and will likely greatly improve upon the current rates
01-14-2015 | 02:49 PM
#9525
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If you were a 15 year Spirit captain would you rather:
A. Spirit's A320 pay of $185/hr with 9% retirement match, no profit sharing, 4 days off between trips, line bidding, transition conflicts.
or
B. Delta's A320 pay of $203/hr with 15% retirement, about 8% profit sharing, no guarantee of 4 days off, Pref Bidding, and no transition conflicts.
Honest question.
A. Spirit's A320 pay of $185/hr with 9% retirement match, no profit sharing, 4 days off between trips, line bidding, transition conflicts.
or
B. Delta's A320 pay of $203/hr with 15% retirement, about 8% profit sharing, no guarantee of 4 days off, Pref Bidding, and no transition conflicts.
Honest question.
01-14-2015 | 03:02 PM
#9527
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Yeah, but there's no mechanism for us to credit the number of hours that a Delta pilot can. And then there's our lack of profit sharing. Our W2 will end up falling far short, even with the high hourly rate.
Anyway, feel free to point to us, but really Delta is the gold standard.
Anyway, feel free to point to us, but really Delta is the gold standard.
01-14-2015 | 03:49 PM
#9528
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Joined: Jun 2010
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To play devil's advocate, are you saying if you were a 15+ year Spirit captain you would accept a 9.7% raise (and future matching of Delta's pay raises), 6% extra retirement, about 8% profit sharing, and 5.5 hr daily guarantee in exchange for accepting pref bidding, eliminating transition conflicts, and giving away 4 days off?
01-14-2015 | 04:41 PM
#9529
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From: Airplane
To play devil's advocate, are you saying if you were a 15+ year Spirit captain you would accept a 9.7% raise (and future matching of Delta's pay raises), 6% extra retirement, about 8% profit sharing, and 5.5 hr daily guarantee in exchange for accepting pref bidding, eliminating transition conflicts, and giving away 4 days off?
01-14-2015 | 05:00 PM
#9530
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From: A320 Left
I'll vote no on any contract that implements PBS. I also remind the FOs I fly with that PBS would alter the manning equation significantly here: less hiring and less upgrades.
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