I think it's a small price to pay for a happy pilot. A happy pilot and crew gives better customer service. They call out sick less, are on time more often etc. I'm not sure if customer service is a priority there, but at most airlines it is.

Why single out VX? United, Delta, Southwest and numerous regionals are in kcm and are doing fine, in fact KCM doesn't even figure into their financials...it's minuscule.

 

The VX comparison was just because of their profits vs their expenses. Efb, kcm, new uniforms, etc. all things nice to have that have no effect on profits or safety, we have been using Jepps and going thru security for awhile now.

NK will get any of those (with the uni exception, witch it happens to be an idea from an ex-VX person, no pun intended) the day that means profits.

Vx, great place, but, if the spend money like that I would be worried just like any pilot would. I'm sure they'll do fine over time, I don't believe investors will just keep shoving money for nothing.

On the other hand as much as we make I like the fact that our company would remove a light bulb if they don't use it, I can personally care less about image as long as we make money. My opinion.

FedEx it's a great example, like I said, KCM brings zero money, they are pulling out, it fat they can trim.

This is a business, like any other, you don't give the van driver your regular $1 a bag ($2.00 2 bags) and then $2.00 more just to keep him/her happy so he/she keeps coming back. It's his/her job.

Since this KCM deal ONLY benefits us pilots and FAs, and it has to be run thru airinc (I think), via our company in conjunction with the dep of HLS, our company should get it a get reimbursed by ALPA.

No pickle with you SHY or your company, it was just a example on how different the two managements are.

 

Going through security, especially at FLL is a PITA, but no way in hell should pilots, through ALPA or individually pay for KCM!!!
The company will see the value and pay for it or not, but we should not give up anything for it!!!
(...although dropping the hat bs would be a reasonable trade in my humble opinion)

 

I not saying to give up anything for it. Hat trade or not, NK will never make money out of it therefore I doubt we'll ever get it. On the other hand, I think will the amount of money that we pay ALPA, KCM would be a insignificant bill and a significant benefit for its members.
I don't want to get in a fight with pro-against union members, I'm pro-efficient for the pilots union.

I believe our union could trim some of the expenses (ie the monthly magazine, etc) to pay for KCM.

And in MY opinion, if I was given the chance to pay for my own KCM, right now, I WOULD out of my own pocket no question about it. My opinion only.

But I can't expect my company to pay for something that brings zero revenue to them.

 

ALPA paying for it is wrong in principle.
Sure the union could reduce spending by cutting the magazine for example, but that's not an opportunity for funding KCM.

 

You're probably right. Life goes on

 

However, according to the ALPA Chairman email the company WOULD see a gain if he was forthcoming and truthful about the proposal ALPA made to help Spirit out in the form of a legal alliance regarding the company's lawsuit against the DOT. Simple quid-pro-quo. Of course, this assumes ALPA is being completely honest...

 

ra site, LINK. Log in again, Flight Standards and Training link, go to Proficiency Training. Hot Topic Briefing Items been there for months...

 

Mmmmmk then.

 

I don't see how, sorry. If they provide (we provide ourselves) with things like, lawyers, medical support, PACs, meetings, contract negotiations, help repetitively to those who keep screwing up, magazines, credit union, new building, and whatever else) we could easily provide ourselves with KCM. My opinion.