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03-05-2013 | 09:46 AM
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I don't see how, sorry. If they provide (we provide ourselves) with things like, lawyers, medical support, PACs, meetings, contract negotiations, help repetitively to those who keep screwing up, magazines, credit union, new building, and whatever else) we could easily provide ourselves with KCM. My opinion.
03-05-2013 | 10:05 AM
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03-05-2013 | 11:04 AM
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New routes out of IAH. Direct to DEN and DTW starting June 13th.
03-05-2013 | 11:15 AM
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New routes out of IAH. Direct to DEN and DTW starting June 13th.
03-05-2013 | 11:25 AM
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The VX comparison was just because of their profits vs their expenses. Efb, kcm, new uniforms, etc. all things nice to have that have no effect on profits or safety, we have been using Jepps and going thru security for awhile now.
NK will get any of those (with the uni exception, witch it happens to be an idea from an ex-VX person, no pun intended) the day that means profits.
Vx, great place, but, if the spend money like that I would be worried just like any pilot would. I'm sure they'll do fine over time, I don't believe investors will just keep shoving money for nothing.
On the other hand as much as we make I like the fact that our company would remove a light bulb if they don't use it, I can personally care less about image as long as we make money. My opinion.
FedEx it's a great example, like I said, KCM brings zero money, they are pulling out, it fat they can trim.
This is a business, like any other, you don't give the van driver your regular $1 a bag ($2.00 2 bags) and then $2.00 more just to keep him/her happy so he/she keeps coming back. It's his/her job.
Since this KCM deal ONLY benefits us pilots and FAs, and it has to be run thru airinc (I think), via our company in conjunction with the dep of HLS, our company should get it a get reimbursed by ALPA.
No pickle with you SHY or your company, it was just a example on how different the two managements are.
NK will get any of those (with the uni exception, witch it happens to be an idea from an ex-VX person, no pun intended) the day that means profits.
Vx, great place, but, if the spend money like that I would be worried just like any pilot would. I'm sure they'll do fine over time, I don't believe investors will just keep shoving money for nothing.
On the other hand as much as we make I like the fact that our company would remove a light bulb if they don't use it, I can personally care less about image as long as we make money. My opinion.
FedEx it's a great example, like I said, KCM brings zero money, they are pulling out, it fat they can trim.
This is a business, like any other, you don't give the van driver your regular $1 a bag ($2.00 2 bags) and then $2.00 more just to keep him/her happy so he/she keeps coming back. It's his/her job.
Since this KCM deal ONLY benefits us pilots and FAs, and it has to be run thru airinc (I think), via our company in conjunction with the dep of HLS, our company should get it a get reimbursed by ALPA.
No pickle with you SHY or your company, it was just a example on how different the two managements are.
I not saying to give up anything for it. Hat trade or not, NK will never make money out of it therefore I doubt we'll ever get it. On the other hand, I think will the amount of money that we pay ALPA, KCM would be a insignificant bill and a significant benefit for its members.
I don't want to get in a fight with pro-against union members, I'm pro-efficient for the pilots union.
I believe our union could trim some of the expenses (ie the monthly magazine, etc) to pay for KCM.
And in MY opinion, if I was given the chance to pay for my own KCM, right now, I WOULD out of my own pocket no question about it. My opinion only.
But I can't expect my company to pay for something that brings zero revenue to them.
I don't want to get in a fight with pro-against union members, I'm pro-efficient for the pilots union.
I believe our union could trim some of the expenses (ie the monthly magazine, etc) to pay for KCM.
And in MY opinion, if I was given the chance to pay for my own KCM, right now, I WOULD out of my own pocket no question about it. My opinion only.
But I can't expect my company to pay for something that brings zero revenue to them.
03-05-2013 | 11:45 AM
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The VX comparison was just because of their profits vs their expenses. Efb, kcm, new uniforms, etc. all things nice to have that have no effect on profits or safety, we have been using Jepps and going thru security for awhile now.
NK will get any of those (with the uni exception, witch it happens to be an idea from an ex-VX person, no pun intended) the day that means profits.
Vx, great place, but, if the spend money like that I would be worried just like any pilot would. I'm sure they'll do fine over time, I don't believe investors will just keep shoving money for nothing.
On the other hand as much as we make I like the fact that our company would remove a light bulb if they don't use it, I can personally care less about image as long as we make money. My opinion.
FedEx it's a great example, like I said, KCM brings zero money, they are pulling out, it fat they can trim.
This is a business, like any other, you don't give the van driver your regular $1 a bag ($2.00 2 bags) and then $2.00 more just to keep him/her happy so he/she keeps coming back. It's his/her job.
Since this KCM deal ONLY benefits us pilots and FAs, and it has to be run thru airinc (I think), via our company in conjunction with the dep of HLS, our company should get it a get reimbursed by ALPA.
No pickle with you SHY or your company, it was just a example on how different the two managements are.
NK will get any of those (with the uni exception, witch it happens to be an idea from an ex-VX person, no pun intended) the day that means profits.
Vx, great place, but, if the spend money like that I would be worried just like any pilot would. I'm sure they'll do fine over time, I don't believe investors will just keep shoving money for nothing.
On the other hand as much as we make I like the fact that our company would remove a light bulb if they don't use it, I can personally care less about image as long as we make money. My opinion.
FedEx it's a great example, like I said, KCM brings zero money, they are pulling out, it fat they can trim.
This is a business, like any other, you don't give the van driver your regular $1 a bag ($2.00 2 bags) and then $2.00 more just to keep him/her happy so he/she keeps coming back. It's his/her job.
Since this KCM deal ONLY benefits us pilots and FAs, and it has to be run thru airinc (I think), via our company in conjunction with the dep of HLS, our company should get it a get reimbursed by ALPA.
No pickle with you SHY or your company, it was just a example on how different the two managements are.
I not saying to give up anything for it. Hat trade or not, NK will never make money out of it therefore I doubt we'll ever get it. On the other hand, I think will the amount of money that we pay ALPA, KCM would be a insignificant bill and a significant benefit for its members.
I don't want to get in a fight with pro-against union members, I'm pro-efficient for the pilots union.
I believe our union could trim some of the expenses (ie the monthly magazine, etc) to pay for KCM.
And in MY opinion, if I was given the chance to pay for my own KCM, right now, I WOULD out of my own pocket no question about it. My opinion only.
But I can't expect my company to pay for something that brings zero revenue to them.
I don't want to get in a fight with pro-against union members, I'm pro-efficient for the pilots union.
I believe our union could trim some of the expenses (ie the monthly magazine, etc) to pay for KCM.
And in MY opinion, if I was given the chance to pay for my own KCM, right now, I WOULD out of my own pocket no question about it. My opinion only.
But I can't expect my company to pay for something that brings zero revenue to them.
I love working for this company, I like having my union, I call it for what it is fair or not.
We save money and make money that's spirit and its well advertised, no secrets.
Do we wish we had more things to make us HAPPY, yes. But here the reality is something else. We fought for what we have, KCM isn't nor was the most important thing to get.
Our company doesn't see a profit, we won't get it. That is itself remarkable. This company doesn't throw the money away on perks. That's why we could sustain oil barrels at $145.
You can say whatever makes you pickle happy about me and my posts.
That won't change the fact that I love this company, I am very proud of it and my co-workers, all of them, the pro and against union. I hope we last a long time, and as far as my union, it should fork the money and pay for my KCM.
I wish you the same feelings, bro!
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03-05-2013 | 12:11 PM
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03-05-2013 | 12:11 PM
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Dude, shy, listen, I'm not going to go this route, specially with you. You have a problem with spirit, I get it.
I love working for this company, I like having my union, I call it for what it is fair or not.
We save money and make money that's spirit and its well advertised, no secrets.
Do we wish we had more things to make us HAPPY, yes. But here the reality is something else. We fought for what we have, KCM isn't nor was the most important thing to get.
Our company doesn't see a profit, we won't get it. That is itself remarkable. This company doesn't throw the money away on perks. That's why we could sustain oil barrels at $145.
You can say whatever makes you pickle happy about me and my posts.
That won't change the fact that I love this company, I am very proud of it and my co-workers, all of them, the pro and against union. I hope we last a long time, and as far as my union, it should fork the money and pay for my KCM.
I wish you the same feelings, bro!
I love working for this company, I like having my union, I call it for what it is fair or not.
We save money and make money that's spirit and its well advertised, no secrets.
Do we wish we had more things to make us HAPPY, yes. But here the reality is something else. We fought for what we have, KCM isn't nor was the most important thing to get.
Our company doesn't see a profit, we won't get it. That is itself remarkable. This company doesn't throw the money away on perks. That's why we could sustain oil barrels at $145.
You can say whatever makes you pickle happy about me and my posts.
That won't change the fact that I love this company, I am very proud of it and my co-workers, all of them, the pro and against union. I hope we last a long time, and as far as my union, it should fork the money and pay for my KCM.
I wish you the same feelings, bro!
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