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03-07-2013 | 04:01 PM
#5421
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From: Office Chair
That makes a lot more sense, thanks for clearing it up. I guess crew planning could have done a much better job of explaining the reasons behind re-opening the bid as well.
03-07-2013 | 04:11 PM
#5422
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From: Office Chair
Actually, I'm still confused. If the reduction was cancelled, wouldn't the only tab that gets looked at be the vacancy tab? It wouldn't matter what someone had under the voluntary tab.
03-07-2013 | 04:13 PM
#5424
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From: A320 CA
Correct. So if you are a DTW FO and wanted to leave the base, you would put xyz FO in the voluntary tab and leave the vacancy blank.
03-07-2013 | 04:14 PM
#5425
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It has nothing to do with bidding incorrectly. With the reduction bid, some pilots had bid for a voluntary displacement out of DTW so they would be eligible for the CBA displacement benefits. The company rescinded the reduction AFTER the bid closed, which left no opportunity for those pilots that still wanted to leave DTW to change their bid accordingly.
03-07-2013 | 04:22 PM
#5426
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Ok, so what if they want to move, but had only the voluntary displacement selected so they would be eligible for those benefits? Those pilots never had a chance to change their bid, and they would not have had the vacancy tab filled out because it will award a vacancy before it awards a voluntary displacement.
03-07-2013 | 04:23 PM
#5427
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From: A320 CA
It has nothing to do with the lawsuit - that's just a guy on this forum stirring the pot.
If there was/is a plan to introduce a vacancy bid for ORD, that would also potentially increase costs further, especially if you're being forced to pay for reductions in DTW when you could get some DTW guys to voluntarily bid ORD, if you announced ORD first. That's my best guess for the 're: ORD' angle - its a long shot, at best.
Of course, that might look like a 'win' for Spirit ALPA, so, there's the cost of that too to consider.
If there was/is a plan to introduce a vacancy bid for ORD, that would also potentially increase costs further, especially if you're being forced to pay for reductions in DTW when you could get some DTW guys to voluntarily bid ORD, if you announced ORD first. That's my best guess for the 're: ORD' angle - its a long shot, at best.
Of course, that might look like a 'win' for Spirit ALPA, so, there's the cost of that too to consider.
03-07-2013 | 04:40 PM
#5428
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From: Office Chair
IOW...some guys gambled for a paid move and lost, and now we're going to give them back their ante. They wouldn't lose their current seat by not having the vacancy tab filled out, so how were they wronged?
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03-07-2013 | 04:52 PM
#5429
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I don't really know how else to explain it, but I'll try and simplify. We bid based on what we know. If the company changes dramatically the details of a bid, it could change how an individual would input their preferences. In this case, the company completely eliminated the reduction of DTW after the bid close. By allowing the bid to open again for 24 hours, it ensures that all pilots seniority and contractual rights are honored.
03-07-2013 | 05:33 PM
#5430
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The company has the right to change or even cancel the bid up to the moment it becomes effective. You have to bid knowing this especially if you are trying to game the system with a paid move.
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