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Old 08-30-2014 | 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by skybolt
The "we we're all off that day" is a smokescreen. It is true, but it distracts from the obvious truth. The election comes around every three years. It's not like it snuck up on them. The date for a nomination meeting should be planned well in advance and announced far enough out so that all members of the local have to opportunity to bid for that day off. To wait until after final schedules are set before setting a nomination meeting date is at best incompetent. However, with the ability to nominate via US Mail, the late date selection for the scheduled election is not the problem. The problem comes from the unexpected resignation of the 77 Capt Rep; and now we have a legitimate concern - not of anyone's making - that the late scheduled meeting is actually responsible for effectively denying the DFW based 77 members an opportunity to vote in the interim election.

I call on the SPA MEC to do the right thing and find a way to allow the DFW based members of Local 77 a venue to vote in base for the interim Capt Rep vs attempting a virtually impossible commute to and from a meeting in LAS. If the DFW based members are disenfranchised, the division will only get worse and we really don't need any more division leading into negotiations. To the MEC, the ball is in your court. What's more important to you? Winning your political games or negotiating a kick butt contract with the full support of your constituents?
Are there any LAS guys attending that would be willing to mule a DFW guy's proxy? I dont have a dog in this fight being fll based but that option is available. Its bs it needs to be like that, but that's your union working for you!
Old 08-30-2014 | 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Plane Ramrod
Are there any LAS guys attending that would be willing to mule a DFW guy's proxy? I dont have a dog in this fight being fll based but that option is available. Its bs it needs to be like that, but that's your union working for you!
Actually every Spirit pilot has a dog in this fight. As A320flyer said the results of this election will mold the MEC.

Are you all happy with the DFW pilots being effectively locked out of the meeting?
Old 08-30-2014 | 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Orbit
Actually every Spirit pilot has a dog in this fight. As A320flyer said the results of this election will mold the MEC.

Are you all happy with the DFW pilots being effectively locked out of the meeting?
True enough. FLL did what they can and hope 77 follows through. The 77 vote restriction is bs, no doubt. Just want people to know:
1 there is a way around it
2 more national bs. Shut down free speech on the nk board because they dont like the content, now pooch an election.
Old 08-30-2014 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Plane Ramrod
Are there any LAS guys attending that would be willing to mule a DFW guy's proxy? I dont have a dog in this fight being fll based but that option is available. Its bs it needs to be like that, but that's your union working for you!
Proxies are NOT allowed. One must be physically present at the meeting for the "secret ballot" vote. Ridiculous...
Old 08-30-2014 | 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Plane Ramrod
True enough. FLL did what they can and hope 77 follows through. The 77 vote restriction is bs, no doubt. Just want people to know:
1 there is a way around it
2 more national bs. Shut down free speech on the nk board because they dont like the content, now pooch an election.
Looks like the shut down didn't work. In no time someone else manned-up and seems to be recreating another board.
Old 08-31-2014 | 03:17 AM
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Proxies are NOT allowed. One must be physically present at the meeting for the "secret ballot" vote. Ridiculous...
I think the issue is with the ALPA bylaws. This is how it works for an interim rep.
Old 08-31-2014 | 03:40 AM
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Proxies are NOT allowed. One must be physically present at the meeting for the "secret ballot" vote. Ridiculous...




I think the issue is with the ALPA bylaws. This is how it works for an interim rep.
It is a pretty ridiculous "bylaw" to be present to vote at two recently open bases (less than 3 yrs) and assume that everyone lives there or that everyone it's gonna be going thru with time enough to vote.

Electronic should be the way. After all isn't that the way ALPA it's being moving with all the communications, PAC support, emails, websites, 117 phone apps, magazine and other stuff that I don't even know we pay for?
Old 08-31-2014 | 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Sailor
It is a pretty ridiculous "bylaw" to be present to vote at two recently open bases (less than 3 yrs) and assume that everyone lives there or that everyone it's gonna be going thru with time enough to vote.

Electronic should be the way. After all isn't that the way ALPA it's being moving with all the communications, PAC support, emails, websites, 117 phone apps, magazine and other stuff that I don't even know we pay for?
I agree 100%, don't shoot the messenger
Old 08-31-2014 | 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Sailor
It is a pretty ridiculous "bylaw" to be present to vote at two recently open bases (less than 3 yrs) and assume that everyone lives there or that everyone it's gonna be going thru with time enough to vote.

Electronic should be the way. After all isn't that the way ALPA it's being moving with all the communications, PAC support, emails, websites, 117 phone apps, magazine and other stuff that I don't even know we pay for?
The Constitution of these United States of America recognizes that checks and balances are necessary. The Constitution of The Airlines Pilots Association makes no such recognition.

Why do I start with this statement? Because the ALPA constitution assumes that all volunteers are altruistic. It assumes that one representative is the same as the next. One of the primary directives of the organization is to have us represented. When a rep fails to finish a term, the ALPA Constitution ensures that we receive a replacement rep ASAP. There is nothing sinister in that.

The situation in ALPA 77 is a problem because of the geographic distance between LAS and DFW. DFW is 50% larger but circumstance is effectively locking the DFW pilots out of the election. Our MEC needs to recognize this as a valid issue and provide a way for the DFW based pilots to have a voice in the upcoming interim Capt Rep election. This should be a simple fix; arrange a meeting place, a data link to LAS, and an official to count the votes. It would be the right thing to do.

BTW, the "nothing sinister" isn't meant to imply that Sailor made that claim. It's just a general statement

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Old 08-31-2014 | 09:28 AM
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Last place I worked we voted online or had the option of having a paper ballot mailed to our house. And we were a dirt bag freight operation.
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