We'll obviously disagree on that. But even if we gained little from those LOA's, NOT ONE PILOT HAD TO RESIGN TO GET THEM. You had to resign to get that cool pin with the star and HOPE that things worked out and you got your job back.

Or LOA 34. My all time favorite! Satellite Bases! You could bid them on a month to month basis. As long as it didn't have vacation or training. Conflicts wouldn't be honored either.

10-03-2014 | 08:49 PM

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I created a new drinking game, every time Obama says "Folks" you take a shot. Should be hammered by the end of his speeches.........

Next time your sweating out a 30 day cooling off period maybe you'll feel better with some Romney appointees to the NMB. . .

10-04-2014 | 07:32 AM

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Or LOA 34. My all time favorite! Satellite Bases! You could bid them on a month to month basis. As long as it didn't have vacation or training. Conflicts wouldn't be honored either.

LOA 34 was negotiated at the direct request of ACY pilots who had their base closed by Dr. Schorr in the early 2000's (after Sept11, 2001). The ACY guys wanted their base back and the new management needed some convincing that it would work. The MEC wrote that LOA with the expectation that management would see the benefit of having pilots in ACY again. It worked, shortly thereafter, the new (no sense of history of Spirit Airline) management made ACY a full fledged base again.

Once again, you guys hate because of who made the deal instead of what the deal accomplished.

LOA 35 was directed by the NMB neutral as the way to settle hundreds of pay NCCs/Grievances. We gained a pay schedule that matched our contract and allowed pilots to more easily check their paychecks.

I can't remember LOA 37, please refresh me.

10-04-2014 | 07:36 AM

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Next time your sweating out a 30 day cooling off period maybe you'll feel better with some Romney appointees to the NMB. . .

Neither party supports American laborers.

Wall Street money goes almost equally to Democrat and Republican party.

You should have watched the PBS special on Romney, he saved American jobs by rescuing companies that would otherwise have gone broke.

I am not a Romney supporter, nor a Bush, nor McCain. I don't like any of them over the past 20 yrs.

10-04-2014 | 08:58 AM

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LOA 34 was negotiated at the direct request of ACY pilots who had their base closed by Dr. Schorr in the early 2000's (after Sept11, 2001). The ACY guys wanted their base back and the new management needed some convincing that it would work. The MEC wrote that LOA with the expectation that management would see the benefit of having pilots in ACY again. It worked, shortly thereafter, the new (no sense of history of Spirit Airline) management made ACY a full fledged base again.

Once again, you guys hate because of who made the deal instead of what the deal accomplished.

LOA 35 was directed by the NMB neutral as the way to settle
hundreds of pay NCCs/Grievances. We gained a pay schedule that matched our contract and allowed pilots to more easily check their paychecks.

I can't remember LOA 37, please refresh me.

LOA 35 says nothing about settling hundreds of grievances? The pay schedule was changed. LOA 37 was the one where the union in charge put management pilots on the seniority list retroactive to their hire date. In front of all 2006 hires. Thanks. Same thing was tried not long ago and was deemed a violation per the concessionary contract we signed.

It's funny how the brigade does and has never done one thing wrong and the current union can't do one thing right. Nothing personal but, I'm just pointing out there are two sides to all stories. Newer guys need to made aware of such instances so they aren't repeated. Right?

10-04-2014 | 01:07 PM

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If every MEC and negotiating member is bad except for FLL then why haven't there been mass recalls in every council?

10-04-2014 | 07:06 PM

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If every MEC and negotiating member is bad except for FLL then why haven't there been mass recalls in every council?

Are you saying that mass recalls are acceptable to you?

10-05-2014 | 04:45 AM

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If it was proven that any member of the MEC was not serving the pilot group's best interest, then yes. It hasn't been proven to me but that seems to be what is being said here. I keep hearing that we shouldn't expect a good contract because besides fll it's the same guys from 2010 which was supposedly a complete failure. How come I've not heard one recall put in the agenda for any of the other councils' meetings?

Things don't seem to be adding up

10-05-2014 | 12:28 PM

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Chicago folks. The family just moved away from me being able to drive to dtw, back to flying to work. The commuter hotels are cheap and easy but dtw pairings are completely uncommutable on one end, if not both. Been watching ORD lines and they seem a lot better with respect to commuting and the base is growing faster. What are people using for commuter hotels and what do they run a night?