Spirit of NKS
11-17-2014, 02:31 PM
#8821
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Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: Airplane
Posts: 2,385
Well, if you go by BBB's own words, "We're 1% of the traffic today. If we triple the size of the airline as we plan to do, we'll be 3% of the traffic. You tell me what percent of the traveling public cares about price above all else. I think it's a lot more than 3%. I don't know if it's 50%, 40%, maybe it's 80%. But it's way more than 3%. We have no demand problem when we have the lowest price." -WSJ
Will we grow to be more than 3% of the traffic in the US by the time our next contract is amendable? I certainly think so. Look at Ryanair and how much traffic they've got in Europe.
"RyanAir, EasyJet and other low-cost carriers make up nearly 20 percent of air traffic in Europe. Spirit, Frontier, and Allegiant Air only make up around 4 percent of total air traffic in the U.S., but it's certainly growing." - WSBTV
Will we grow to be more than 3% of the traffic in the US by the time our next contract is amendable? I certainly think so. Look at Ryanair and how much traffic they've got in Europe.
"RyanAir, EasyJet and other low-cost carriers make up nearly 20 percent of air traffic in Europe. Spirit, Frontier, and Allegiant Air only make up around 4 percent of total air traffic in the U.S., but it's certainly growing." - WSBTV
11-17-2014, 02:39 PM
#8822
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
Posts: 1,577
Originally Posted by Lobaeux
Well, if you go by BBB's own words, "We're 1% of the traffic today. If we triple the size of the airline as we plan to do, we'll be 3% of the traffic. You tell me what percent of the traveling public cares about price above all else. I think it's a lot more than 3%. I don't know if it's 50%, 40%, maybe it's 80%. But it's way more than 3%. We have no demand problem when we have the lowest price." -WSJ
Will we grow to be more than 3% of the traffic in the US by the time our next contract is amendable? I certainly think so. Look at Ryanair and how much traffic they've got in Europe.
"RyanAir, EasyJet and other low-cost carriers make up nearly 20 percent of air traffic in Europe. Spirit, Frontier, and Allegiant Air only make up around 4 percent of total air traffic in the U.S., but it's certainly growing." - WSBTV
Will we grow to be more than 3% of the traffic in the US by the time our next contract is amendable? I certainly think so. Look at Ryanair and how much traffic they've got in Europe.
"RyanAir, EasyJet and other low-cost carriers make up nearly 20 percent of air traffic in Europe. Spirit, Frontier, and Allegiant Air only make up around 4 percent of total air traffic in the U.S., but it's certainly growing." - WSBTV
11-17-2014, 02:50 PM
#8823
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Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: Airplane
Posts: 2,385
Originally Posted by Plane Ramrod
Ok, then as of today, we missed out on 500% share price appreciation. What's that going to look like in 2020? Also, the same brain-trust that brought you "this place will never IPO" just months before they.... IPO'd, are the people you are counting on now.
The IPO argument, well, the argument against an IPO is damning for those who negotiated the last contract. The simple fact they didn't understand the IPO process says they know little of corporate economics.
I'm not relying on anybody, BUT the pilot group to tell the negotiators what to negotiate. What they bring to the pilot group is what we'll vote on. BUT, no one here is going to fall for the "this is the best we can get argument, better vote for it" again. Especially not in this current economic climate.
11-17-2014, 04:41 PM
#8824
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Posts: 8,898
Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs
Troll or not, it's going to kind of suck when all of our pals at other majors are getting a big fat profit sharing check and we get nada.
11-17-2014, 05:07 PM
#8825
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: A-320
Posts: 6,929
The past three months the guy one number senior to me has bid the line that I bid/needed to get transition conflicts. It's not easy to bid one every month consecutively
11-18-2014, 04:35 AM
#8826
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Position: A319, A320, A321
Posts: 544
The MYR runway is worse than it was before. Just saying, be ready...
11-18-2014, 08:15 AM
#8827
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Posts: 8,898
Originally Posted by The Juice
Well, anything can change....but with Spirit posting 21% margins and VA posting margins of 12% And with Spirit posting a CASM of 5.92 cents vs VA 10.98 cents (with the same RASM)....I wouldnt be so quick to assume anything.
Looking at a stock and saying "one only has to add $30 to double and the other needs $76, so the $30 must be easier, isnt accurate."
Looking at a stock and saying "one only has to add $30 to double and the other needs $76, so the $30 must be easier, isnt accurate."
11-18-2014, 09:05 AM
#8828
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Joined APC: Mar 2007
Posts: 11
Originally Posted by ShyGuy
True, but there is no airline stock at over $100. You can't compare your costs/revenue metrics because the model is entirely different. 178 seats versus 146-149 for a given A320. Different brand and different strategy. Stock pre IPO was 23 and today is almost 40. Don't know why or what's going on for that. I'm kicking myself for selling it at 30.
11-18-2014, 10:43 AM
#8829
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 184
Originally Posted by ShyGuy
True, but there is no airline stock at over $100. You can't compare your costs/revenue metrics because the model is entirely different. 178 seats versus 146-149 for a given A320. Different brand and different strategy. Stock pre IPO was 23 and today is almost 40. Don't know why or what's going on for that. I'm kicking myself for selling it at 30.
11-18-2014, 02:13 PM
#8830
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Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: Airplane
Posts: 2,385
Originally Posted by 390SetBlue
The true value of a stock is its P/E ratio relative to others in its sector and the market in which it trades.
This, plus some other metrics! Actual stock price is NOT an indication of the worth of a stock AND stock price is not and indication of the performance or value of a company. Plenty of great companies have stocks that are dogs and vice versa.
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