Wouldn't it be better to be earning those multiple revenue streams AND be getting a check for 60% of your pilot pay for the next 30 years on top of it. I know we would all be pretty ****ed to lose a multimillion dollar career just because the FAA arbitrarily decided that the small medical issue you got this year no longer qualifies you for a first class medical even though that issue allows you to fish, golf, and/or work any other job in the world

 

Overtime vs. New Hires: Which Is Better? | Olympic Staffing

Found this in about ten seconds using a google search.

Please! If I can get one person to understand how a buisness is run.

IT SAVES THE COMPANY MONEY!

Management must laugh their asses off....

We think 150% is a gain in our contract, ha!

 

exactly. Id rather make the money on MMG than have to constantly "work the system". Dont forget, Spirit opens & closes bases frequently and "working the system" really only benefits those who live in base..................

 

Wow, you seem pretty worked up for someone that is new to APC. So let me see if I got this right. Company wins by paying us 150%? ok so I get more money in my pocket for working hard, the company is happy and makes more profits. So we win and the company wins..securing my future. so what's the problem. Might you by chance be one of Matyas' trolls trying to prepare us for no premium pay again. Could you be a friend of 'spiritman'?

 

You've been here for like a minute and now you are the expert on this? How many bases have closed since you got hired here just over a year.

 

"For like a minute?" are you a twelve year old wanna be thug or is that a phrase you actually use on a daily basis?

Based on SJU & LGA and the threat od DTW closing last year, I think its fair to be concerned about bases opening and closing.................even though I have "only been here a minute"

 

What does that have to do with anything? So long as the guy's off probation he'll have one vote when the time comes- just like me and you.

Pretty sure I'm senior to you, does that give me more "APC cred"? I've also been directly affected by my base closing, does that put me in "diamond status APC cred" territory?

 

And if I am a Diamond status APC poster, do I get free breadsticks and cognac?

 

We will be giving away freebies to management during negotiations, if we allow ourselves to depend on soft rules to improve our QOL or pay.
Only hard rules count: Min guarantee, pay, min days off.

Soft rules, which company has control over:
NO reserve call out list.
"Option" to assign reserves by credit or days of availability? (according to Sched. supervisor)
Open time, reserve/relief staffing, pairings.
Open time, and it's assignment, are not transparent yet.
CS does assign trips to pilots who "call in" or to reserves, before posting on Flica. We are all aware of the side deals.

Planning "optimizes" the schedules to avoid the 22 hrs layover credit.
Isn't there less soft time and more 21:50 hr layovers?

If 150% is negotiated back without a min. open time formula, it means nothing.

Currently about 20% of our pilots are on first year pay.
Reserve is cheap, compared to 150% for a 2nd or 3rd year pay FO.
That will change, and so will open time.

Regardless of individual priorities, the focus of negotiations should be on hard rules that give no, or minimum, leeway for manipulation.

I am very happy here and will work on continuing to be.

 

I don't care if a guy has been here for 1 day of Indoc. If they are coming from 121 I'm pretty sure they know how negotiations work and how airlines in general work. They also probably have a better idea of what fair pay and work rules are than someone who's been here 20 years. Why? Because they have been in the job market in a post bankruptcy era and probably have a good idea of what today's contracts are paying. Unlike the guy sitting in there with his transition conflict blinders on thinking its still 2010. All I have to do is mention retirement, ltd, rigs, or any other line item of today's contracts and guys say "really? They have that? I didn't realize." We all need to get in the game and get educated. And most importantly be unified! The growth pony will only run so long.