Yes, I was shorted thousands and they gave me attitude. At what point is this illegal?

 

This is getting beyond out of control. Its going to get worse as we get more pilots on property.

 

It certainly is becoming more common and is unacceptable. Though id bet 90% of their time is spent dealing with pilots that have been paid correctly but don't know the contract and how they are supposed to be paid

 

As I understand it, the pay issues are much more prevalent on the FA side and they've been dealing with them for a few months now.

 

* as long as the per duty period min is 4.5/day you will continue to see 18 hr 4-days. We need to up the mins

* red eye+1? We already have good language on that, it's just not enforced.

* hotel van rides are a problem. You've got the keep me close to the airport crowd vs the there's nothing to do in LBE, so drive me 6hours to downtown CLE crowd. You're going to **** people off either way so why spend negotiating capital?

* 4 vs 5 years: we are going 4 years past amendable either way, so do you want a 4 on 4 off cycle or a 5 on 4 off cycle?

 

Point of fact:
A 94:00 TAFB trip pays min guarantee of 22:23.

See section 4.C.1.c.

[i]One hour’s flight time credit for each 4.20 hours’ elapsed time away from his base[\i]

I get the message our trips aren't as productive as they should be, though there is a better way to say it than your example.

On that topic: We all want 22+ credit on a 4 day. Some of us are willing to fly 22+ hours to get the credit (5:30 a day as an average, regardless of whether we have a min day or still have some 'averaging', which is a different discussion), while others want the 22+ credit, but feel flying that kind of schedule leads to a 'fatiguing, Southwest or regional type schedule'.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say the company's resistance to the first group will be lower than to the second (though, with the way our operation works flying 'out-station to out-station', it's harder than you think to block 5:30+ a day for 3-4 days in a row). Are you willing to block 5:30+ for 4 days in a row in order to get 5:30+ a day in pay?

 

We really need to have a clause in our contract stating that if they mess up out pay by $x, they owe us 2 hours of pay.

Hopefully this suggestion is too late to be included in our imminent TA.
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I'm happy to block 5:30 or more per day for more pay...work would still be more restful than being at home! :-D

 

I would be happier with more "soft time" so we don't have to work as hard for the same money. Work smarter not harder.

 

Or just a higher pay rate