Dilbert

Nope! You speak company horse****!!! Why not have a couple more drinks and go drive somewhere since you're so good at it? Oh wait you're not ...

Green Giant

What is the word on the contract?

Keizer Soze

"Work, work, work, work, contract, work, work, ......"

Qotsaautopilot

I hope some here are reading the southwest threads. That's a group (at least on APC) that understands how important scope is. Even the Delta pilots are chiming in with their mistakes of the past. Our codeshare language must be changed to get a yes vote on this contract! SCOPE!!!

Green Giant

Ask any American Eagle pilot or former American Eagle pilot about what happens once you give the scope away. Scope is our only protection.

We have plenty of Eagles pilots flying for Spirit, chime in now.

Frisco FO

Did you put that in your ALPA contract survey?

Qotsaautopilot

Sure did.

Filler

Gunga Din

You mean how AMR used Eagle to gut AA scope?
This industry is littered with examples of pilot groups who didn't know or care enough to take scope and codeshare seriously. I hope we are well past this now. You'd be hard pressed to find a pilot who would give an inch on relaxing scope. The real question is how much stronger must the wording be?

Qotsaautopilot

Well considering we have unlimited code sharing available to them right now anything would be stronger

Today they could sell all scheduled aircraft deliveries to Frontier. Any markets they were planning on using those planes for they would let frontier fly and then spirit would sell X number of tickets on that flight as Spirit flight 123 operated by frontier airlines.

Say Spirit wants markets in Europe but can't fill a A330 or 787. So they conspire with Ryanair to get the jets and operate them with their cheaper pilots and sell X amount of seats as spirit flight 123 operated by Ryan air flight 123.

Rinse and repeat to any domestic or foreign carrier. As the ULCC model proliferates it only makes sense to codeshare if they can make more money by not using their own jets and their own pilots (us).

Result: we stagnate at 76ish A320 family jets and 1300 pilots and no body gets furloughed. All legal in our current section 1

No merger necessary.

NewA320Driver

"As the ULCC model proliferates it only makes sense to codeshare if they can make more money by not using their own jets and their own pilots (us)."

The answer is they can't. If it's such a money maker why aren't they doing it now? Because getting a few dollars per seat while F9 does the flying is not the way to run a profitable airline.