But it sucks and you better have a pile of cash set aside to pay the deductible/copays.

 

You have to examine the totality of any contract, but yes, I would like to see full benefits offered from day 1 at Spirit. Hopefully if we all share in a fraction of your enthusiasm, we'll get it done in the next contract.

 

MC if you read this, you have a trip on 12/26 posted on the trade board to drop. You left no phone number and the grid is green. Drop away.

 

Fact: Just because one keep saying fact, it does not make it a fact.

Please name a few airlines that currently have an 90 day waiting period that makes it industry standard.

 

I asked first; who offers full bennies from Day One.

After some 48 hours, the only response I got was "Delta and United".

Since nobody else answered "Southwest" or "American" or "FedEx" or "Alaskan" or "JetBlue" or "UPS" or "Hawaiian" or any other carrier for that matter, a reasonable person would reach the conclusion that those other carriers do not in fact offer full bennies from Day One.

So how about you please name the carriers that DO offer bennies from Day One, as originally requested. We already know United and Delta.

If you can in fact name the other carriers, and they indeed are the majority, then I would be happy to change my stance on the subject. But until proven otherwise, while Delta and United are indeed large carriers, if it's just the two of them I'd hardly consider it "industry standard".

 

Your definition of 'industry standard' is slightly different than mine.

Name at least 5 airlines (100 seats and larger and more than 30 aircraft) that currently does not offer health benefits within the first 90 days to its pilots...and you'll fit my definition of industry standard. The burden of proof is on you because you'd better find out what industry standard is before you should be allowed to vote on a new contract.

It is disgusting if any employer (100 or more employees) does not offer health care for any of its full time employees after a max of 30 days. I don't care if it's a barista, gate agent, stripper, or dishwasher, let alone a high skill position that requires hefty investment in education.

I will retract my 'day one expectation' as insurance carriers usually drive a 30 day wait requirement and coverage usually extends to the end of the month after resigning from a prior employer (first hand experience).

As an additional note, this is my third 121 and have worked at two 135 carriers. Spirit is the first employer where I've had to wait longer than 30 days for coverage.

I'm glad we agree on everything else.

 

It was "industry standard" when the industry was in the worst possible shape since deregulation. Everyone happy!? Next subject

Unfortunately this Industy changes drastically and a decent "industry standard" contract today is crap tomorrow.

I start third year pay in March, I go to $78, my buddy on the 737 at United starts 3rd year pay at the same time, he goes $114.

Sucks balls but our third year pay was higher before their last contract. Industry standard is a moving target

 

I don't have to name anything. You said Delta and United already, vs Spirit, that's all the data you have, and then went on to say that somehow based on that (2to1 is a majority last I checked), it's a fact that Spirit is the industry standard. Just trying to understand your logic.

 

Guys, I think we need to get the pay rates up and not worry about the insurance issue. Yeah it would be nice, but the company isn't going to just give it to us without wanting something back.

If you want insurance for the first three months, there is cobra and Obamacare. If we get the pay up to where it is should be, you'll get that money back 10 fold.

Let's keep our eyes on the prize, and the prize is MONEY and RETIREMENT!!!

 

Pretty sure Hawaiian's bennies kick in with minimal delay- processing time or whatever the equivalent HR jargon is. On their plan that's closest to a PPO, the cost for family medical is 2% of pay or $200.00, whichever is LESS, per month.

They are smaller & less profitable on a per airplane basis than NK is.