Spirit of NKS
01-03-2015, 01:15 PM
#9291
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Originally Posted by ovrtake92
So at 6 per month, you're 16 months away still?? Are they going to spool up more upgrades or am I missing something?
Here is my take.
147 airplanes by the end of 2021.
8 captains per plane roughly
147x8 = 1176 total Captains by end of 2021, we have 1066 listed in flica currently. I'm to lazy to add the total captains we have currently, but we are supposed to be at 80 planes by the end of 2015 so roughly 640 captains. They may staff heavy due to the large number of planes coming but it doesn't seem to me they will need large upgrade classes.
The reason I brought this up initially is because there is so much talk about quick upgrades (both good and bad)
I had a guy telling me a couple of days ago he really wanted to work here because of the quick upgrades. This is being fed to new hires and people at job fairs as well and it is unlikely to be the case for guys getting on now.
Feel free to correct me if I am missing something. I would hate to see guys coming here expecting to see 2.5 yr upgrades and a new contract then being in the right seat for 5 years under our current contract.
01-03-2015, 01:23 PM
#9292
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Originally Posted by The Juice
I fear I know who this is....possibly the same CA who freaked when all of the bags were loaded in Cargo Compartment 1, and went and asked passengers to move to the back of the plane in order to "balance the airplane out." She had a true fear that the airplane would "lose control" if it were too front heavy. Of course, the MCDU checked out fine on the loading and didnt require any movement. She ended up calling the CP, refusing to fly any planes that have the bags loaded in CP1.
I mean, this is wrong on a million different areas, as everyone on here knows.
I mean, this is wrong on a million different areas, as everyone on here knows.
01-03-2015, 01:23 PM
#9293
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Originally Posted by Dr Pepper
Here is my take.
147 airplanes by the end of 2021.
8 captains per plane roughly
147x8 = 1176 total Captains by end of 2021, we have 1066 listed in flica currently. I'm to lazy to add the total captains we have currently, but we are supposed to be at 80 planes by the end of 2015 so roughly 640 captains. They may staff heavy due to the large number of planes coming but it doesn't seem to me they will need large upgrade classes.
The reason I brought this up initially is because there is so much talk about quick upgrades (both good and bad)
I had a guy telling me a couple of days ago he really wanted to work here because of the quick upgrades. This is being fed to new hires and people at job fairs as well and it is unlikely to be the case for guys getting on now.
Feel free to correct me if I am missing something. I would hate to see guys coming here expecting to see 2.5 yr upgrades and a new contract then being in the right seat for 5 years under our current contract.
147 airplanes by the end of 2021.
8 captains per plane roughly
147x8 = 1176 total Captains by end of 2021, we have 1066 listed in flica currently. I'm to lazy to add the total captains we have currently, but we are supposed to be at 80 planes by the end of 2015 so roughly 640 captains. They may staff heavy due to the large number of planes coming but it doesn't seem to me they will need large upgrade classes.
The reason I brought this up initially is because there is so much talk about quick upgrades (both good and bad)
I had a guy telling me a couple of days ago he really wanted to work here because of the quick upgrades. This is being fed to new hires and people at job fairs as well and it is unlikely to be the case for guys getting on now.
Feel free to correct me if I am missing something. I would hate to see guys coming here expecting to see 2.5 yr upgrades and a new contract then being in the right seat for 5 years under our current contract.
I would hope that at this point any a pilots career they would know not to chase an upgrade. At any time we could defer orders and curtail growth and those upgrades can evaporate pretty quickly.
01-03-2015, 01:26 PM
#9294
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Originally Posted by Dr Pepper
Here is my take.
147 airplanes by the end of 2021.
8 captains per plane roughly
147x8 = 1176 total Captains by end of 2021, we have 1066 listed in flica currently. I'm to lazy to add the total captains we have currently, but we are supposed to be at 80 planes by the end of 2015 so roughly 640 captains. They may staff heavy due to the large number of planes coming but it doesn't seem to me they will need large upgrade classes.
The reason I brought this up initially is because there is so much talk about quick upgrades (both good and bad)
I had a guy telling me a couple of days ago he really wanted to work here because of the quick upgrades. This is being fed to new hires and people at job fairs as well and it is unlikely to be the case for guys getting on now.
147 airplanes by the end of 2021.
8 captains per plane roughly
147x8 = 1176 total Captains by end of 2021, we have 1066 listed in flica currently. I'm to lazy to add the total captains we have currently, but we are supposed to be at 80 planes by the end of 2015 so roughly 640 captains. They may staff heavy due to the large number of planes coming but it doesn't seem to me they will need large upgrade classes.
The reason I brought this up initially is because there is so much talk about quick upgrades (both good and bad)
I had a guy telling me a couple of days ago he really wanted to work here because of the quick upgrades. This is being fed to new hires and people at job fairs as well and it is unlikely to be the case for guys getting on now.
01-03-2015, 01:35 PM
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With our current contract one would be nutz to come here absent a quick upgrade. Spread the word. We could use the leverage
01-03-2015, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by gonyon
With our current contract one would be nutz to come here absent a quick upgrade. Spread the word. We could use the leverage
Why will someone choose Spirit, or to remain at Spirit without a quick upgrade? It's really what's leveling the playing field in a way between Spirit and the legacies.
01-03-2015, 04:16 PM
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With FO rates like united's why would you come here even with a quick upgrade. By the time the pay difference amounted to anything you would be within spitting distance of an narrow body upgrade at a legacy
01-03-2015, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by gonyon
With FO rates like united's why would you come here even with a quick upgrade. By the time the pay difference amounted to anything you would be within spitting distance of an narrow body upgrade at a legacy
01-03-2015, 04:24 PM
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We are going into negotiations, our current pay scale is gone once we sign a new one. Our pay needs to come up dramatically, more so on the F/O side.
Everyone needs to calm the F down. These United rates are relatively new, ours are relatively old. If it doesn't get fixed, we are all free to uolodats our resume and leave.
Everyone needs to calm the F down. These United rates are relatively new, ours are relatively old. If it doesn't get fixed, we are all free to uolodats our resume and leave.
01-03-2015, 04:40 PM
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Hmmm, are these not the correct United pay rates? Higher FO pay rates for United, yes, but how about the QOL?
My QOL is pretty darned good at Spirit, pay isn't everything, but how can one justify staying at Spirit vs. going to United without the upgrade? Does anyone think our amended contract will have A320 rates comparable to these?
My QOL is pretty darned good at Spirit, pay isn't everything, but how can one justify staying at Spirit vs. going to United without the upgrade? Does anyone think our amended contract will have A320 rates comparable to these?
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