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02-03-2015 | 06:16 AM
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FYI Joey, there are somewhere around 1000 AA furloughs still deferred until 2016. Everything else I have read on the internet though is true.
02-03-2015 | 06:45 AM
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02-03-2015 | 07:16 AM
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Judging by the YES votes coming out on the other thread, the noobs are yes men too. By all means, vote how you guys think is best, but don't make it sound like it's different this time. Your "majority" is getting ready to eff things up just like we did.
02-03-2015 | 07:47 AM
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Don't think so. My fellow ex-regional "noob" buddies are making $114/hr as third year Airbus F/Os at the legacies. We have our expectations set pretty high..........
02-03-2015 | 07:51 AM
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I hope so, but it looks like they may be about to vote themselves a concession. Guess we will have to wait and see.
02-03-2015 | 08:05 AM
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Can somebody clarify this, whether we vote yes or no, contractually, from what I'm being told, the DL is coming regardless of how the vote turns out. Training can be placed on days off, with the exception of having less than 12 days off. So basically if you have a 12 day off line, You"ll have to have a trip dropped somewhere if we collectively vote no?, (BTW, I think it's going to pass)
02-03-2015 | 10:20 AM
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02-03-2015 | 10:36 AM
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Can somebody clarify this, whether we vote yes or no, contractually, from what I'm being told, the DL is coming regardless of how the vote turns out. Training can be placed on days off, with the exception of having less than 12 days off. So basically if you have a 12 day off line, You"ll have to have a trip dropped somewhere if we collectively vote no?, (BTW, I think it's going to pass)
02-03-2015 | 10:41 AM
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I put this on the LOA thread but I'll put it here too, oh and a NO from me.
Contract (what we have now)
Home training - 1 day per month
Home training - up to 12 days a year
Home training - maximum 8 hours per day
Home training - cannot replace ground school
Home training - 4 hours pay
3 days of ground school is Duty (as per the FAA) and potentially count toward FDP
Accrues per diem ($158.40 for 3 days)
Conflict possibilities
LOA
Distance learning - 2 days per month
Distance learning - up to 24 days per year
Distance learning - 9 hours per day
Distance learning - replaces ground school (2 days)
Distance learning - 5 hours pay
The 2 days distance learning would not count toward FDP
No per diem accrual for distance learning
No conflict possibility
Contract (what we have now)
Home training - 1 day per month
Home training - up to 12 days a year
Home training - maximum 8 hours per day
Home training - cannot replace ground school
Home training - 4 hours pay
3 days of ground school is Duty (as per the FAA) and potentially count toward FDP
Accrues per diem ($158.40 for 3 days)
Conflict possibilities
LOA
Distance learning - 2 days per month
Distance learning - up to 24 days per year
Distance learning - 9 hours per day
Distance learning - replaces ground school (2 days)
Distance learning - 5 hours pay
The 2 days distance learning would not count toward FDP
No per diem accrual for distance learning
No conflict possibility
02-03-2015 | 10:41 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs
Can somebody clarify this, whether we vote yes or no, contractually, from what I'm being told, the DL is coming regardless of how the vote turns out. Training can be placed on days off, with the exception of having less than 12 days off. So basically if you have a 12 day off line, You"ll have to have a trip dropped somewhere if we collectively vote no?, (BTW, I think it's going to pass)
So why would you think it's going to pass if all the new guys have high expectations? This LOA doesn't meet anyone's high expectations - I think it's safe to say.
Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs
Can somebody clarify this, whether we vote yes or no, contractually, from what I'm being told, the DL is coming regardless of how the vote turns out. Training can be placed on days off, with the exception of having less than 12 days off. So basically if you have a 12 day off line, You"ll have to have a trip dropped somewhere if we collectively vote no?, (BTW, I think it's going to pass)
So why would you think it's going to pass if all the new guys have high expectations? This LOA doesn't meet anyone's high expectations - I think it's safe to say.
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