I've spoken to some new guys that say (paraphrasing) 'I just want to sit on my couch at home and do training on the IPad' thus the yes vote. I'm a no vote, pre 2012 hire.

Many of the old timers here are battle axes. I wouldn't paint them all with such a broad brush. Based on some of the stuff some newer guys say praising PBS, this group may be more divided than many people think. Forums aren't a good representation of the pilot group.

 

Well I hope most of them understand the totality of contracts and not just a pay rate grid or we'll end up with AA rates, no health insurance and the worst PBS a programmer in Bangalore can create.

 

Thank you

(Filler)

 

That's true but if we vote yes all the min day off guys on rsv or 13 day off line holders now train on days off too. That allows for lower staffing requirement and is a concession.

 

Yes. This.

 

Thanks for compiling this.

 

So based on what I'm reading above, it looks like the company can only force one day a month of DL on us for 8 hours... Why is everyone scared that they're going to force two days on us even if the LOA doesn't pass? Clearly, they can't..

Also, the LOA states 10 hours above guarantee.. So if I have an 82 hour line, is it 10 hours above the 82...?? Or 10 hours above 72, which makes 82 after the 10 hours and now I just did DL for free??

Still, a no vote!!

 

Excellent questions, it sounds like a grey area that the company could potential screw us on, since the wording isn't strong.

What it should say in the LOA is

"10 hours above min guarantee or 10 hours above your line value which ever is greater."

Because as it stands right now its not well defined.

 

72 IS guarantee, so you will indeed be "donating" some of your time for the TEAM. It won't be a gray area.

 

"toward guarantee" and "above guarantee" are pretty standard contractual phrases. A simple search shows "above guarantee" in our current CBA no less than 8 times. Do you find you have problems in those cases? 72 hours is our minimum guarantee, if your line value is higher, that's now your guarantee, with only a few contractual provisions that could possibly lower it. 10 hours above guarantee, contractually means above YOUR guarantee, whether that's the min or your line value, just like open time flying, drug testing, or rescheduling, just as some examples, already says in our CBA.

The amount of assumptions and opinion being passed as fact to assert one's position on the LOA is getting a bit out of hand here. I can understand being for or against this LOA, it certainly has its pros and cons, but many that are accusing "scare tactics" by the company are partaking in a little bit of their own as well. Read the LOA, manuals, and CBA to form your decision, not what someone, on either side of the argument, posts on the internet.