IWalkJun12

The system is flawed. Is it better than '07? Yes. No faxing it in and processed once a day at midnight seniority order. IMO, it needs to change to seniority based, and processed every 4 hours. Why is a pilot being "punished" because he's halfway between MSP and LAS. Oh. And they should all be at 150% pay.

Lemonade

Actually no, DOT is at 12:01. Anything awarded before that time is in error or you cheated. Imagine a horse race where some gates are released before others.

You have a problem here.

Plane Ramrod

Hope you're wearing your Nomex underwear...

ManFlex

Seniority rules in almost every other facet of our contract, but leaving DOT first come/first serve seems fine by me. I think a more appropriate change would be to our 'junior assignment' language in section 25. It should be retitled 'premium pay' and the draft order should be from senior to junior. We don't have involuntary junior manning, so offering 200% to the most junior pilot seems backwards.

ManFlex

Well, FLICA isn't configured that way. You can submit a request at 1200. There was no conspiracy, that captain wasn't the first to submit the request.

Lemonade

I'm with you on that one ManFlex

Lemonade

The bottom line is that DOT can not be awarded before 12:01. I have never been able to bid for anything before 12:01. If Matyas allows this to happen he is conspiring with the company to allow lower seniority pilots ( his union friends making a lower rate) to gain an uncontracted advantage

Additionally there is damning evidence of senior captains being removed from juicy trips for training in January and those trips were never put into IOT for seniority bid but magically showed up for DOT for lower paid pilots to take.

This reminds me of when Chris Gonnsen ( retirement chair) signed off on the Schwab 401k even though the pilots were forced to absorb greater expenses to save the company money. Two months later Gonnsen was placed into the training dept.

ShopVac

You must have never worked at an airline that could really JA you. If you want premium pay for OT, tell Mattyus to negotiate premium pay for open time. Keep the JA wording the way it is. Afe we really stupid enough to dump our industry leading prohibition on being JA'd just soma couple of money hO's can make a day of double time. NO THANKS!

ShopVac

Gonnsen is an instructor? Too funny my friend, too
funny! Where's that "say it aint so" smiley thingy?

One of the big fights happening when I was a noob was over union guys in training. A union guy gave me a sim session back then and taught me a bunch of great stuff. That was back in the Hatfield (DTW) vs McCoy (FLL) days. What a cluster all that stuff was

ManFlex

Many things in our CBA are industry leading, the 'junior assignment' language is not one of them. We could have one sentence saying involuntary assignment of flying is prohibited. Then we could delete all of these five JA's a year restrictions, etc. No need to protect pilots from something that would be completely prohibited in the first place. Many regional airlines and all reputable, major airlines that I know of do not have involuntary junior manning. The major issue at Spirit is we've wrongly conflated the term 'junior assignment' to mean 'premium pay' and consequently we have inappropriate and illogical restrictions like starting the draft list from the most junior pilot or limiting the pilot on earning more than five premium pay trips per year. These were protections intended to protect the individual pilot from company abuse which does not occur anyway.